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KittenClaw22
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# Posted: 9 May 2006 06:42 · Edited by: KittenClaw22


This is a discussion of all feeders commonly and uncommonly kept for a variety of amphibians and some reptiles.

All insects are deficient in calcium, so I suggest you dust with a 50/50 combination of Rep-Cal and Herptivite at least once a week for adult frogs. This having been said, let


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# Posted: 9 May 2006 06:43 · Edited by: KittenClaw22


Crickets make up the main part of most captive amphibians and reptiles diet, by and large. Crickets are very easy to breed, and contrary to popular belief do not have to smell like week old fishguts if properly maintained. This is going to require work and time to keep them clean. The smell associated with breeding crickets is probably about 90% uncleanness.

To breed crickets simply contact Chazz and he will fill you in on all the information you need. I am just kidding. Sorry. I couldn


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# Posted: 9 May 2006 08:30


I would like to add earthworms are available year round some places.

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# Posted: 9 May 2006 12:01


Gosh that's some amazingly in depth and helpful info!! I am going to try to set my husband onto this project as growing bugs just doesn't seem to interest me yet! Great science for the kids too!! Thank you!!

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# Posted: 9 May 2006 12:02 · Edited by: TimOsborne


barbeque charcoal
I haven't read it all.. there is a lot to read and I have to get to work, but you do NOT want to use barbeque charcoal for your springtails. You want to use either charred wood (the charcoal you will typically find with the garden supplies). You can also use Coco coir for them.. charcoal briquettes are bad though..

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# Posted: 9 May 2006 12:06


I've heard it done either way.

I just place them directly in the soil in my dart frogs tank.

I was speaking with a dart breeder the other day who said that he bred spring tails in charcoal, that is where I got this recipe. I've read several articles about it as well that said the same thing, even included pictures.

Naturally this does not mean it is the best way, or the only way, but it is one way to do it.


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# Posted: 9 May 2006 16:54


don't waste your time breeding crix. breed lobster roaches. no smell. no noise. 5 or 10 % better meat to exoskeleton ratio than crix. they will breed under almost any conditions. sure you'll pay more for your first dozen, but in a month you'll have more food than you know what to do with. you can do it in a large plastic bin. line the top with vasaline. you can use dirt or mulch for substrate. throw in some corkbark or egg crate. spray it down now and then. feed them anything. i use crix yummies because i get them commercially and they are very cheap. i also tropical fish food, fruits and veggies, and whole grains.


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# Posted: 9 May 2006 20:05


Is that what you use for your geckos?

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# Posted: 9 May 2006 20:22 · Edited by: Sh0e


i feed lobster roaches to my leo's, cresties, and the different uroplatus species. they tend to be easier to feed desert species because they will burrow in coco fiber after a while, on sand they are screwed. hatchling roaches are small enough to feed to mantellas. we fed some to our tegu, some escaped and quickly multiplied, you'd seem him snag an adventurous one now and then. they won't burrow into very moist substrates though so pacmans take them easy too.


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# Posted: 9 May 2006 21:31


I've heard it done either way

It was either mis-communication or someone was talking without actually trying it. I use charcoal too, but you cannot use briquettes. Briquettes have a lot of flamable products added to them to ease with lighting and increase burning temps, they are toxic.. and it is dangerous to house the material in sealed containers. Use the Charcoal that is charred wood.. most of it is actually burned pallet wood.. and is easily found in meijers or walmart, home depot or lowes..

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# Posted: 9 May 2006 23:19 · Edited by: KittenClaw22


I did a google search hoping to come up with pictures, but all I could find was the use of the same terminology.

Here is another example of the same term used in the same way.

http://www.dendroworld.co.uk/FAQ/food.html

I do not recall specifying "brisket." You jumped to conclusions. If you do not have the time to read and understand something you shouldn't critique it.

I never said, "The key is Kingsford."

Thanks for the criticism, Tim.

As long as we are discussing springtails, what do you feed yours Tim?


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# Posted: 9 May 2006 23:40 · Edited by: TimOsborne


You did not specify briquettes.. but you did say barbeque (which you editted out).. and to me and many others that is going to translate to briquettes. Most of the commercial market for barbeque charcoal (atleast in the US) is briquettes true?? Then, when I offered a correction to the statements.. clarifing that you should not use charcoal intended for barbeques instead you should use the charcoal intended for horticulture, you got defensive and tried to justify it. Stating that is what you heard from so and so..

Don't get defensive.. don't take it personal.. But don't argue w/ me and my experiences based on something that you read on the net or heard from someone else when you have no real life experience or hard evidence to back it up with either. Don't try to backtrack and play word games either. If you had not meant briquettes, you would have simply stated that after my first post.

How many of the above items that you offer advice on breeding and raising have you actually studied and kept? and how much of this information was simply pulled from other sites? I am not trying to be mean.. but you are looked up to on this forum, and when you're incorrect, or in this case, incomplete.. take the corrections and move on. Many people would have read your initial "CARE" for springtails and dumped a bag of kingsford in a bowl and tried to grow their bugs..

Thanks for the criticism, Tim.
It is constructive.. deal with it.

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# Posted: 9 May 2006 23:48 · Edited by: KittenClaw22


I've kept them all, the ones I have not bred I did not specify breeding information, and I said "I have not kept these, I only purchase in small quanitities."

There is no need to be so rude. I haven't been rude to you.

As for pulling information from other locations, who doesn't do their research in such a manner?

How did you learn to keep your insects and amphibians? Where you born with the knowledge? Did you start up without any idea what you were doing, go with the trial and error method until you finally kept them alive?

No. You researched other peoples materiel and came to your own conclusion.


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# Posted: 9 May 2006 23:56 · Edited by: TimOsborne


There is no need to be so rude. I haven't been rude to you.

Like I said Kitten, there is nothing personal about it. I am not trying to be rude.. it is not meant that way at all. Some of what I say may be taken as rude on the net, but it is never intended that way (I think alot of people that post hear are sometimes taking to be rude when it is unintended) This thread has potential to be very very benificial to this board for many years.. and I think it should be complete and clear on all items listed..


Here is a thread from a few weeks ago discussing springtails in detail, I give a lot of information there on how I care for mine, Bonsai and LostRiver has both offered their care advice as well. Right now, mine are eating cucumber peel and/ cous cous depending on the culture.

http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread &forum=3&topic=9471&page=0#6

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# Posted: 10 May 2006 00:03


How did you learn to keep your insects and amphibians? Where you born with the knowledge? Did you start up without any idea what you were doing, go with the trial and error method until you finally kept them alive?

No. You researched other peoples materiel and came to your own conclusion.


True, that is how I learn. But I do not take the information and instruct others to do the same until I am sure the information is correct and complete. When someone asks me a question on here, I either give them information based on my experiences and I personally have witnessed - or - I point them to a source so that they can research it and make up their own minds. As I said above, many people will come here and look to you as teacher for the hobby, you have a responsibility to provide correct information, point them in a direction.. or simply say I don't know. When you post something that is incorrect, incomplete or in need of clarification.. make it right.

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# Posted: 10 May 2006 00:07


Why cucumber peel and cous cous?

But I do not take the information and instruct others to do the same until I am sure the information is correct and complete.

I'm not sure what you are implying Tim, but I do not do that either.


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# Posted: 10 May 2006 00:15


one container has cucumber peel in it, it molds nicely and they seem to like it.. cous cous is a small form of pasta..


I'm not sure what you are implying Tim, but I do not do that either.
that is exactly what you did. You said you have always used coco-coir in yours.. but only after recommended barbeque charcoal, later saying that is was because a dart keeper had told you that was a good way to do it.


In any event, our conversation is ruining a potentially great thread.. lets let it go and anything future on the thread is strictly about feeders, deal?
We can continue this in private if there is anything else you would like to say. Email is bogart6868@aol.com or you can IM me through AOL or MSN at bogart6868. I will be on most of the night working (except for a short trip to the grocery in a bit).

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# Posted: 10 May 2006 00:47


I know what cous cous is, I'm a bit of a foodie. I was just curious why you use cous cous over other types of pasta, if there was any real reason behind it or it you had extra on hand so used that.


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# Posted: 10 May 2006 00:57 · Edited by: TimOsborne


Not really a reason other than convenience.. I had some.. it is easy, and they don't require much food. I usually only put 10-15 grains in the culture ever 2-3 weeks and they thrive. I have found with larger food.. alot of it is wasted..

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# Posted: 10 May 2006 04:54 · Edited by: Frogbert


Kitten,
What if some one read your post and went and got some Charcoal from dad and it had lighter fluid all over it! Tim was right to clarify what you wrote. None of us are the upmost authority on anything - including you. (I realize you never claimed to be, just stating the facts)

You really need to not be so sensitive or jump to conclusions when some one adds to what you post or corrects you. Since you have started participating in this website you have contributed a lot. I appreciate that very much. You have helped many people.

You also have gotten into posting pissing matches with almost everyone who knows as much or more about the subject of frogs than you. Including myself, yet we buried the hatchet and have grown to appreciate each others knowledge.

Please realize not everyone is out to get you. Not everyone is attacking you. Right now I am being blunt and direct because I am irritated that I once again was enjoying a thread that you turned into a pissing match.

I am certain there are others who may know something you have said is not entirely accurate, but refrain from posting cause you get wounded so quickly. I wonder how many Newbies or Kids that have not come back to the after coming across one of your nastier posts.

Just knock it off already. I am seriously annoyed right now.

Please - I implore you don't assume the worst in people. I am taking extreme measures to post this cause I know you can be better than this. YOU are intelligent and creative. You are as fun to laugh with, as you are to learn from. YOU have so much to offer but it gets clouded by your inability to take correction, creative input, or criticism.

Please understand, I am only saying these things because I feel you are worth it. IF I didn't care whether you were here or not, I would have just let it go on until someone else said it in a less mature manner.

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KittenClaw22
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# Posted: 10 May 2006 05:16


Please realize not everyone is out to get you. Not everyone is attacking you.


That is absolutely preposterous. What kind of thing is that to say?

I am astonished by your post. I can't believe you would say anything like that to me.


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# Posted: 10 May 2006 15:07


back to the subject of springtails - I have a booming culture, and I use orchid mix, which has the horticulture charcoal in it - you must avoid the bar-b-que charcoal- and peat moss. Actually, I think right now they are in the mixture that I put together for my carnivorous plants, which also has a little perlite in it. I feed them mainly rice, uncooked, and fish food. Keep your culture pretty wet and feed heavily, and they are so easy to keep. The easiest bugs I have had, and I like having them on hand for when the flies might crash or not be producing as well.

I feed my darts fruit flies and springtails mainly.

My tomato frogs ignore anything that small. They get mainly crickets, which I keep outside in a cricket box like the pet stores use, and I feed them whatever I have handy, mainly potatoes, apples, oranges, and I have some of that cricket feeder squares you can buy that I will use when I don't have any fruit or vegetables around. I also will feed them anything really that is the right size, I tried phoenix worms but they really didn't move around to catch their attention. I have fed them those worms that you have to keep refrigerated - I can't remember what they are called - and they liked them. They seem to have a hard shell, so I was worried about them hurting the frog on the inside.

A feeding thread is a good idea, to discuss all the different feeders. There are always people asking very basic feeding questions, and it would be good to have stickies or something like that where people can search these topics without having to ask the same questions over and over again.

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# Posted: 11 May 2006 00:53


Well... I'd have afeild day editing this thread... but it seems that my edit buttons in this one are absent.

No more nagging at one another please? The point was clairified and there's no reason that we need to ride each other over and over.

Charcoal, charred wood... not briquetts, not the stuff you pick up at the grocery store for grillin. (No Kingsford, no Matchlight) just plain ole burnt wood. (I'll also assume taht you'll want to use a wood that hasn't been weather treated or coated with anything... just plain wood)

If my edit button returns... I'll clean things up.


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# Posted: 11 May 2006 01:06


Yeah, it seems I am having a similar problem at the moment too. Let's cut the bs. If you have a problem with someones post and you want to duke it out, do it in private, this is why we have emails. If'n I see this crap again, I'm just gonna start cutting posts out. We may not all be adults here, but you two are... act like it.

P.S. One persons insulting statement is another persons debating commentary. Just because someone points something out to you that counters your point does not mean they are flaming you. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, I'm making a groupwide statement. (My dear Heather listens to a bit more crap than I. I'm about to turn into a pruning machine.)


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# Posted: 11 May 2006 01:13


And we all know that I don't put up with that much lately LOL

But the personal bickering has got to stop. If anyone has a problem, my email is ellasmommie@yahoo.com or you can click on the persons name and get their email and speak with them privately.

Simple misunderstandings like this need to be dealt with properly. When I first read about the springtail media... I didn't assume she meant charcoal with the lighter fluid. And I would hope that anyone else would be bright enough, if questioning, to ask for clearification. Rather than flat out saying "DON'T USE THAT" simply ask... don't you mean just charcoal?

I'm sure everyone would have gotten a much better responce and this would have never happened.


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# Posted: 11 May 2006 01:32


Exactly, think about how you say things. And that's true hon, I haven't seen you waste all that energy saying stop it stop it stop it. You look sexy with that 'axe'


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# Posted: 11 May 2006 02:49


Thanks for the input guys. I have this information saved on my hard drive and I can make a new thread and you can delete this one if you would like.

I wish I would have included this in the first post. If I can ever edit it again I will add this up there and change the format a little so that all the worms are together, the large frog food is together and the dart foods are together and that is explain a little better.

To gutload my mealworms or crickets I use Fluker's Laboratories High-Calcium Cricket Feed.

http://www.petco.com/Shop/Product.aspx?familyid=62 02

Most insects cannot tolerate high levels of calcium in their system and may overdose and die. Due to this I do not feed this high calcium food more than 24-48 hours before I plan to feed my frogs.

Theoretically this cricket food could probably be used in the soil for the grit that redworms require, but I have never tried it. It's worth a shot.


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# Posted: 5 Jul 2006 07:40


BRAVO , i love the way you explain the way to breed earthworms !!

alot of info !!

about cricket i have a hundreds of new baby !! and i feed all with bread any vegetable sometime cookies and of course a sponge water for water/humidity

thanks to you 1!!!!!


best ribbit, And may the frog be with you
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# Posted: 11 Nov 2006 18:22 · Edited by: Breann


So just to clear this up what do earthworms eat? I mean usually people say that they eat like dirt. But, I thought that you could really put anything in with them and they would devour it. I was thinking that I was going to start breeding some earthworms for my Pacific Tree Frog. So it wouldn't be such a hassle for my parents to take me to the petstore and get food every week. Im new to this whole owning a frog thing so, im just curious.

Breann the 11 year old


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# Posted: 11 Nov 2006 18:36 · Edited by: KittenClaw22


The compost worms that I discuss in this thread eat vegetable wastes, so a cut up potato, or apple peels would work well.

Just change it often enough that they don't mold and you should be fine. Put it a new vegetable or fruit a couple times a week or so. Raw only.

I would suggest going to a bait shop and asking for the specific species of worms listed above or ordering them off the net.


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