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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 05:13


Well my little red-eyes finally came in. I ordered adults,but got 1 1/4 inch juveniles instead. Can anyone guesstimate how old they are? Ive got 2 of them in a 20 gallon long,turned on its side,so it is very high. Theres corkbark and moss on the backing,and tons of fake and real plants where i could put them without taking up ground room. Theres alos many pieces of driftwood going across this way and that way across the tank for them to bask or climb on. They seem to like their enclosure so far. I hope. Last night,I didnt get them home until it was already lights out time. One of them curled up and went back to sleep and the other turned a darker green color and went exploring. He even soaked in his bowl, but the other barely moved. I gave them some crickets last night,and i cant find them in the tnak now,so i assume they ate a couple of them.Gave them a few more tonight,but they dissapeared somewhere(im going to have to go looking) and the little guys didnt get a chance to eat. I put each of them in a seperate tank to do their feeding like how i do with my WTF and put him in a seperate container,so i can monitor his feedings,but they each went right to sleep as i put them in there. So i put the leftover crix in their tank hoping theyd get them,but nope.All they really do is sleep. I know they probably had a long journey and are still tired. I put them back in their tanks,and one curled up on the glass(the outgoing one) and the other sat right wher ei put him on a branch,even fallign off a bit and went to sleep. All the lazy one does is sleep. I just put him in his water bowl(i know i have to stop handling them, im just worried hell dehydrate hisself)and he went back to sleep yet again. He is also looking quite thin, like the picture the boy put up with his dead RETF recently.Are they suppossed to be that thin?The other looks a little plumper,but not by much. I know im jumping the gun again and probably getting worried about nothing,but i cannot help it,these are my babies. I dont know what id do with myself if i lost another frog this week.(pacman passed sunday)Do you think i should take them out of their enclosure and put them in a bare tank? If so,will a 7 gallon do? for the two of them,or should i seperate them? I know this is probably one of the most annoying posts ever,and i am probably one of the more anoying posters, but you guys always have such great advice,and i just want to make sur eim doing everything okay,and if not what i should be doing differently. Oh,i have all the temps right,im pretty sure. The "canopy" during the day is at about 85 degrees,and the ground is at about 79-80. During the night the canopy is about 78 and the floor is 73-75. I use a daylight 40 watt during the day from 9-9 and used a nocturnal black heat lamp last night which keeps the temps just right. I am not usuing tonight because the weather is hotter today,and so is the room they are in. i mist about 4 times a day,and will probably hook up a humidifier this weekend. Just guide me, let me know what else if anything i should be doing. Ill post pics of their enclosure,and them both as soon as i get them. Actually,ill go try to get some now. Thanks for listening to be think outloud.lol.


-Sheryl
spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 05:46 · Edited by: spydergirl4594


I tried posting my pics,but i cant do it right. Can i send them to someone who will put them up maybe?Or you can go to :

http://www.printroom.com/pictureSearch.asp?userid=spydergirl4594

and access the photo albumn. Sorry for the pain in the buttness of this.


-Sheryl
Alechan
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 06:18


Donno how to place pics from that album cos it's not possible to see the URL of the photo.

Anyway, I sw the pics and they seem really smaller than my poor gone RETF and also a bit fatter.

aaah! How I envy you! You have two nice RETFs now and I just lost mine.


About sleeping: my small treefrogs sleep a lot too, especially one. I must make sure he eats cos the other one gets the crickets first.
I suspected many times that he could be sick, but he's just lazy and in good health.
That's all I can share for the moment. heheh


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 09:12


Oh, they're adorable They are pretty big though, mine are half that length. I mean, it's better to have young adults that will still grow some and live long Anyway, mine are new, too. So far, mine only eat at night (unlike my other frogs, except the Cuban). I just have a 2 1/2" high small tupperware container in their tank with some crickets and I count how many they take. You'd probably need a higher container because you'd give yours bigger crickets, but I like it because I don't have crickets hiding everywhere. The froggies do look kinda skinny, but, like you said, maybe they're just tired some and need to get used to everything. You know, about handling, my two love being handled. Once I get them onto my finger, it's very hard to get them off of me. They climb all over me and I guess they like the warmth. I've never grabbed them; I just nudge them to climb onto me and there they go. I don't think handling them is a big deal if you need to make sure they're eating. But mine just won't eat during the day. They decide when they're good and ready and fill themselves up until they look like little balls. I have to borrow my boyfriend's camera and show you guys, it's soo cute. Anyway, good luck with them. I'm interested to hear what these guys will have to tell you because I really can't tell you. But I think they'll be ok.


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 09:15 · Edited by: cheshireycat


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 09:19


Arggh, lemme see if this works

[img]http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbumPhoto.asp?userid=Spydergirl459 4&album_id=139947&image_id=17[/img]


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 09:21


i can only make it work for the thumbnails. better to just go there.


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 14:09


UGHHHHHHHHH. Of course it happened again. I woke up this morning to find a little carcass hanging from a leaf. What the heck. I can get reimburssed but still my god. This keeps happeneing to me. Maybe IM just not cut out to keep frogs. He was skinny when i got him though,it was only a matter of time. The other is great and nice and fat and happy and sleeping now,so i suspect he had a meal last night. Butthis one was shriveled into nothing. I had to freeze him so i have evidence.Ill keep yous updated on the little one.


-Sheryl
Alechan
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 14:38


Oh damn! That's so sad to hear! Yesterday mine and today yours.
So sorry...

Spydergal let me know how the shop is gonna handle this. I want to see the difference between a Hong Kong shop and a US one.
Though....I can predict the result.


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azureus06
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 16:03


If he was shrivled up, than he probably was dehydrated . When i got my RETF, he was half the wheight of yours (i could even see his bones) but after two days and 7 crix, he was plump and healthy. Sheryl, you shouldnt have frozen him, my Dendrobates Azureus was once severely dehydrated , and had stopped breathing (he was also shrivled) but after a few hours of soaking, he recovered... My RETF wake up really late (10:00), so your going to have to stay up late to see it. GOOD LUCK with your RETF...

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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 17:14






her you go

ther adorable If you have any more pics you want to post then you can mail them to me. blink@thefrog.org

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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 17:52


oh no, See i thats why i put him in the water bowl,i was scared he was goign to dehydrate. BUt trust me,this guy was long gone,i dont see how he couldve come back. He was too stuff and still slimy and icky on his torso part,but his limbs were dont,and still in the shape of him junping he mustve fallen off a branch and then just stuck on another one(he was really lazy,wouldnt even move hisself into the proper sleeping position, would be spread out everywhere and fall right back to sleep. So he was all spread out,and so brittle i could break it so easily(i didnt)Ah Damn, I wont find out until monday,ill let you know what happens.


-Sheryl
Charlie
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 19:28


I'm sorry to hear. If you only had him a few days he mighta already been sick though.


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tth_lee
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 23:39


Hey Sheryl,

Sorry about your loss. You did all you could. I remember seeing two dead RETFs in a pet shop and it wasn't a pretty sight. Best of luck with your remaining red-eye, though. Nice pictures of them, by the way. Really cute ones.

Thomas


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2003 04:59


they were,they were adorable. But now im going to take the other baby out of his house and put him in a plain 7 gallon with paper towels and some plants. I got to do this right, there is no risking it for this one. What is the pedialyte thing about?If hes not doing to dgood i can put him in it?PLease help guys,im so scared its aweful.


-Sheryl
spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2003 06:31


Just trying to bump this up,i have to do something. This one isnt looking too great either. I wish they wouldve listened to me when i asked for established adults. This is really difficult. I cant coax the little guy into eating,all he does is jump back up in a corner and go to sleep. hes looking skinny now,but not as skinny as his sibling was,but not far from it either. hes shedding as well. maybe it has something to do with it. please,id appreciate an answer as soon as possible,im going nuts and am really a basket case about this. i really hope i dont loose another one,then ill really feel like ive messed up.and it just isnt fair to him.


-Sheryl
Charlie
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2003 06:41


when did he eat last? And you just moved him to a new home, that mighta stressed him out enough to where he wont eat for a little bit till he gets accustomed to the new tank.


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2003 06:48


Maybe so,but they also didnt look to good when they came in. Looked very scrawny. I shouldve refused them righ tthen and there but I fell in love as usual. Thats the thing,i havent seen him eat anything, but i also cant find the crickets in his tank. If he ate he should look alot better then he does,hes starting to look like his sibling,all sleepy and skinny and not responsive. Have a bad feeling about this one. I put him back in his original tank i brought him home with some paper towels,a shallow leafy water dish(finally found one) and 2 waxworms and 2 crickets. Crickets escaped when i took a plant i had in the tank out,and now im out of small crix,so i will have to get those tomorrow. the wax worms are still running arounf,but hes curled hisself up on the glass corner and is sleeping now. I wish i could do more,i hate to just see him slip away like this.


-Sheryl
Charlie
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2003 06:53


Where'd you get them from? Are they WC? I would be talking to the seller very promptly...


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2003 07:11


Nah,they were CB. Im seriously mad about this. Not only did i get sickly animals, but i also have to go through this heartache and all this crap because of them. If i had gotten what i ordered none of this wouldve happened im sure. Anyone know of any like rejuvination methods? Hes not dead,and is still slightly active and somewhat responding,but i would like to stop him from going into the death mode like trans.


-Sheryl
azureus06
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2003 18:19


are uusing tap water? because if you are, it could kill the frog . I use a product called reptisafe, that instantly removes chlorine...

spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2003 00:42


oh,i know that dont worry,have never even let my frogs touch tap water. Well the baby i have now left a poopie,so hes had to eat something. phew,thats kind of relieving. ive got him in a 7 gallon now,all sides covered in paper,a heating pad under a few blankets which his cage is on top of(its the human kind)paper towel substrate and a bowl of water. Just got crickets, so well see what happens tonight. Ill find out tomorrow if i get reimbursed or whathave you. I was told its a good thing i saved the evidence(and reciept). Thanks for the help,guys.Ill keep you updated.


-Sheryl
Charlie
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2003 01:17


I hope he pulls through.


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2003 04:26


spyder, i'm really sorry that your froggy died. it's really sad, and i hope the other one starts eating. if they're not doing it, try coating some crickets with calcium powder, and not others. maybe they're too used to one thing or the other. and, instead of letting them loose, maybe if you put them into something where they won't bother the frog, it'll work better. i don't know why, but both my leopard gecko and new retf babies won't really eat if i let the crix loose. they get annoyed and just stay as far away from them as possible. and make sure the crix are really little. good luck, i hope everything works. my baby retf's never eat during the day. they don't even eat everyday, although i keep crix in there for them constantly. i never really see them eat, but they got so much fatter than when i bought them and the crickets disappear. i hope you figure out what's wrong. good luck with them


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2003 05:00 · Edited by: spydergirl4594


well i got another poop out of babyfrog about 5 mins ago,so now i know for sure hes eaten atleast something while in my care for the past 3 days. He woke up on his own tonight,and i tossed in 4 small crix(theyre very tiny),so we will see what happens. I have faith in this one,he seems like a real character.
Thanks for everything guys, you dont even know how much i appreciate this.

Update:BabyFrog has eaten all his buggies tonight! 2 waxworms,and 4 crickets,and is looking plumper already. Phew. Exhale...


-Sheryl
Derek Benson
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2003 14:51


Pedialyte is to rehydrate frogs. Where did you get these frogs from? If they were in bad condition, we don't want to buy sickly frogs.


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2003 16:04


i know,i agree with what your saying,they were sick when i got them. I have to take the corpse back to work tomorrow(had to leave early today-sick as all heck) and ill probably get reimbursed. Babyfrog(what im calling him/her until s/hes an adult,and if it lives) ate about 8 buggies last night,and was looking great. still does,nice and plump. im happy about it,i thought he was a goner for sure. I dont care if 8 crickets and waxworms is alot,its plenty enough to keep him alive,and thats all that matters. The only way they wer ein bad condition as far as i can tell is them being so skinny. the brotherfrog's body is sickeningly skinny. but baby is good,and thanks again everyone for your wishes and advice.


-Sheryl
cheshireycat
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# Posted: 10 Jun 2003 07:57


wow.. that's great to hear, spyder. i guess you've at least recouped this one. you better tell those people off and have them send you their healthiest frog so nothing like this can happen again!


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 15 Jun 2003 18:32


Alechan asked me to post what the shop was going to do. I gave in the little body and they sent it back to the breeder,and they are going to send me another this week. I work there,so I may be getting a little special treatment, but they'd probably do the same for a customer as long as the body was brought in.And if it was within a certain amount of time,only exception is if a parasite was found. Babyfrog is doing great. He was 1 1/4 inch when i first got him,and hes grown SO much since then. Just measured him today and he's 1 7/8 inches,only another notch until hes 2 inches long!!! i dont even know if its possible to have such a spurt of growth in only a week and a half,but its happened. He looks great,nice and fat eating perfect,and will probably be moved back into his house very very soon,so i can put the new frog in his quarentine tank and monitor him. Thanks for all your help.


-Sheryl
becki
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# Posted: 16 Jun 2003 03:36


Good to hear and sorry I didn't reply throughout all of this - I missed this post all together until now (guess it was mostly while I was out of town). You've done all the right things with him, keep up the good work! Keep us posted.
Becki

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