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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 14 Jan 2004 01:14


HI guys. I have a sick Sulcata baby who is going to the vet on Thursday(2 days from now).The problem is he has softshell caused by parasites. I have noticed today tehe parasites are evident in his stool. hes not been eating well so i know this is the only stool sample ive gotten in about a week,and the only one im getting until thursday. so i need to know how to preserve it. im not sur eif i should freeze it?fridge it?leave it out?what do you think?


-Sheryl
Whitney
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# Posted: 14 Jan 2004 01:24 · Edited by: Whitney


Well I called a friend of mine whos a nurse, she said that for humans it would ideally be put in the fridge in a sterile container. But keep in mind that is for human stool, which is also usually discarded after 24 hours. Since the same test for microflora growth prob. wont be used, I think the fridge would be your best bet. But I cant really say for certain. Maybe someone else can clarify.


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bonsai
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# Posted: 14 Jan 2004 05:24


I believe Whitney is right about the fridge. I recall a thread somewhere (here or KS) that if my memory is correct (which probably isn't) stated that freezing isn't going to help. Having said this, I think I would call the vet!


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becki
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# Posted: 14 Jan 2004 23:59


If it's all you have to work with keeping it in the fridge is better than nothing but you have to keep in mind that this could give you a false negative as the parasites may not still be preent by then. My scientific names aren't any good at all but I'm assuming - softshell - that this is a turtle and if he is going with you to the visit they can likely obtain a stoll specimen from him there if necessary. They had to do a lavage to my GTF - inserted a small sterile tube and a tiny amount of sterile water into his clocoa and the caught the fluid when ut ran back out and testd this so I can only assume they can do something similiar for turtles. All though it isn't a very fun thing for them to endure. I hope this helps a bit and sorry not of more help. Best of luck and keep us posted.
Becki

spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 15 Jan 2004 01:39


thanks alot. i was worried about the parasites not being able to be seen by the time i got it there,but they are CLEARLY visible to the naked eye. i can see what looks to be a roundworms wrapped in the stool so i dont think itll be too much of a problem.


-Sheryl
spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 16 Jan 2004 19:42


thank you for your advice. the sample i had was very viable,and the hookworms(which i mentioned) were very evident. there were also a load of hookworm and pinworm eggs in his stool(BTW,hes a hatchling Sulcata Tortoise) he had a calcium deficiency caused by a crappy bulb(no one buy Zoo-med coil UVA-UVB bulbs)and is on Neocalglutonate for a month. thanks for the advice,just thought id give an update


-Sheryl
cheshireycat
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# Posted: 16 Jan 2004 19:52


Sheryl, I think the problem with them not being able to identify something after a few days wouldn't apply to anything you can see with the naked eyes, at least in general, which was gladly the thing in your case.

Anyway, how long had you had that particular bulb set up? Aren't those the ones that say to change them every year and cost around $10-20+ or so? My boyfriend uses one of those, too (if I'm thinking of the right bulb here), but it's for a kingsnake that doesn't need UVB so it's cool regardless.

Well, keep us updated on your tortoise, Sheryl, and good luck. Let us know how much improvement you notice with the Neocalglutonate if you have a chance, that really interests me. He's a hatchling, too, you say? That should be good in this situation, right?


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 16 Jan 2004 23:24


actually,its worse in this situation,because they are so small they are still not developed enough to fight these kinds of things properly,but he is a denifite trooper! hes estimated to have been born in October,and is 2 inches long. he looked healthy when i got him,now I know better. I keep in touch with someone who has one of his siblings,and my vet told me to tell that person to get her tort checked out ASAP. He gave him 2 needles while we were there,one of Calcium and another of Vitamin a and D3. he said i should see a big boost in 3 days or so,but i see one already! hes started to open his eyes on his own(before the only way i could open them was to soak him) and hes walkign around more. im so happy I started the Neocal. this morning. I have to give him one drop orally everyday for a month,then every other day after that. Its kind of hard to pry open a mouth thats smaller then your fingernail,so i just sort of put it on his lips and he kind of slurps it up that way.He is going to worm him,but he wants him to recover a little first form the calcium deficiency. He said wormings can be really tough on animals systems,and doing it now ould send him over the edge for sure. He comes in my store every week to check on the animals in the store,and said he will give me some Panacur then next week,Im really happy i got him to the vet when i did,he said he wouldnt have lasted the weekend. im glad because my original appt, wasnt until monday. I really trust this Doc,hes a VERY smart guy,and even has Sulcatas of his own who are enormous which hes raised from hatchlings. Im really glad i went to him,and im really glad to know now that theres someone to go to incase of emergiencies or if i have a question(even if the visit did take me 2 hours and cost me $81!) He told me the mistake i made with the light bulb is oh-so common,and is also the reason most cases of MBD would happen. The bulb i use was actually about 2 months old when i started using it for my trt,which would make it about 4 months old now. Doc said the only actually reliable forms of vitamin bulbs are Mercury Vapor Bulbs,and the tube lights.(the special ones of course) he said hes going to help me pick out the right one,and told me its not like hes makign a profit from it because im not even buying it from him,i thought that was really cool. well,thats my experience,i wonder if i left anythign out,lol?


-Sheryl
cheshireycat
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# Posted: 20 Jan 2004 23:34 · Edited by: cheshireycat


Sheryl, I mean that because a young herp is still growing the effects of MBD can kinda still be reversed (well, improved upon) since bone structure is still forming and the animal is still growing. That's the positive side.

The negatives are that, yeah, babies are weaker and so on... but at least you have something to look forward to.

Anyway, it's really cool of your vet to help you pick out a bulb. When he does could you relay the info straight out to us? It's amazing how many times those major pet merchandise companies dish out lies and it's a shame that you had to learn this the hard way. When I had Honey I used to take her outside into the sun daily and that is something my vet was very glad I did and further encouraged. Seeing some animals with MBD because owners trusted the information on the package of these UVA and UVB lights is disettling at the very least. These companies don't seem to care that animals will suffer because of that sale they had to make. I'm not saying that's what happened in your situation necessarily, but it's just a generalization about some of these companies from everything from these light bulbs to substrates... very upsetting!

Sorry for all of this, but it's great to hear your tortoise is doing better and should keep on improving. Keep us informed on how she does, too.


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