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greene
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2012 01:58


is this what most people use for a background? can it be removed?


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# Posted: 8 Apr 2012 05:02


Lots of people use Great Stuff for backgrounds. I like the one that comes in the black can. I just recently bought Great Stuff for "ponds and patios" or something like that (green can), and this one has black foam instead of yellow foam. I haven't tried it out yet, but it should work out good.

Yes, Great Stuff can be removed from the tank. You will need a razor blade and lots of patients. It takes a long time to remove, but it can be done.

Some people will buy some Polystyrene insulation foam (pink or blue foam) and they will cut a piece to fit the background of the tank. After that is cut to the right size, it will be carved for the desired look. You can also add the Great Stuff foam to the polystyrene sheets.
The polystyrene foam sheets are easier to remove then the Great Stuff backgrounds.

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# Posted: 8 Apr 2012 15:54


I am sorry, it at all does not approach me.


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greene
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2012 16:34


where can i get great stuff. can i plant plants in it


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Sandy_Bear
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# Posted: 8 Apr 2012 19:34


Home Depot, Walmart, most DIY shops should carry it

greene
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2012 00:17


do i need a sealant gun? does the color of the foam really matter?


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# Posted: 9 Apr 2012 01:22


No, the great stuff is a spray can, it has a little plastic nozzle that you put on the top of it to spray the foam out. You do not need a gun for it.
The cans are one time use only though, the foam will usually seal the end of it up after you use it. So if you are going to use it, make sure you are ready to do your project.

The foam color is a preference.

Yes, you can plant plants in the Great Stuff, you will have to put a plant pot or similar device to put your plants in.

The great stuff foam expands after you apply it. Do not apply it too thickly if you are covering the whole back of the tank. Some people have had their tanks crack from the pressure.

meyers kristina
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2012 08:18


If you can get a for sure misting twice a day, why not a clay background? They rock!
I'll post pics of a recent one I just did not too long agao for my solomon isle. I get calcium bentonite about 25 lbs for leftover from Axler.com I believe it is. Its the real deal or you can buy on ebay.
You mix it with peat moss and I will dab on sphagnum new zealand AA once its on, but after mixing, just slap it on. You can use coco-fiber and even coloring to make it browner. Mine, I just wait for plants to grow in other than mosses that will. I mix until its so thick but still wet that it takes a few seconds to fall from my hand back into the bucket or bowl. You can mold it etc. just needs to be mixed or it will get cracks is all. Easier to remove, push plants right in and voila! all done. It takes about 30 minutes once you start to do even a huge viv.


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# Posted: 10 Apr 2012 08:19


p.s. this can be removed asap whenever you want easy!!


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greene
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2012 22:05


About how long does it take to get great stuff off


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Sandy_Bear
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2012 22:14



About how long does it take to get great stuff off

Ha! That depends on how fast you work, how fussy you are about getting it off, how much you put on, and how big the tank is!
Your best tools to use to get it off will be a scraper, a knife and a razor blade. If it's a small tank, it might just be easier to buy a new one.

It's not impossible to get off, but if you are not using the right tools to do so, it will make the job a lot harder then it needs to be. A razor blade works wonders at cleaning up tanks.
Plan for at least 2 hours. It could be more, it could be less.

greene
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2012 22:32


I think I might just stick with the backgrounds for fish tanks even though there not as nice


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# Posted: 15 Apr 2012 22:37


Building stuff in tanks is a lot of fun. You can make some very customized pieces. You just have to be sure that it is something you will be happy with or the tank wont be re-purposed at a later time. They are meant to be permanent, but they can be removed if you are willing to put the time into it.

I like to go to the local thrift stores in town or Craig's List and get second hand tanks. That way if I "screw it up" or become bored with it, it won't be a big loss in costs.

You may want to do an experiment tank, with a small tank (5-20 gallons) to get used to how the products work before you work on the good one.

greene
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2012 22:57


I. Was planning on trying it on a 5 gal. Most of tanks are often re-puposed.


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greene
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2012 22:58


What are polystyrene foam sheets?


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# Posted: 16 Apr 2012 02:09


This is the good Polystyrene to use. It comes in either Pink or Blue and there are a couple different brands. This stuff is expensive, but it is really nice to work with.

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Cheap Polystyrene is white in colour and looks like little Styrofoam balls that have been stuck together. It still does the trick, but if you have to carve into it, it makes a big static-cling mess.

meyers kristina
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# Posted: 16 Apr 2012 08:48


I'll never go back to great stuff. its such a pain, takes forever, you can sculpt clay, make drip walls and it won't break down. You get the real calcium and you have yourself a good viv additive, it also is used for koi ponds, so in water areas, I have yet to have to do a water change on my mossy frog tank. It clears it, balances it right out naturally. Its amazing stuff. Not as hard as it sounds, you can push ghost wood in easy or other wood can be pushed in if set on substrate too. While you gusy have the permanent vivs, I have the option to re-sculpt if I want, remove in as little as 10 minutes, no hard labor, replace easily and plants root so much better. It is also more "natural". Great for micro-fauna. Much luck, show us if you choose to use great stuff the finished viv. I can't say I miss it at all tho. I am loving the clay backgrounds. The possibilities are endless, easy and not permanent yet permanent if you want. Push plants right in. I just put in like 4 other brom species, and at least 7 tillsandias and 4 huge plants in the Solomon isle viv. Plus mounted moss on the background. That is what is great. if one plant didn't work out you can easily add anything you want! It is finished, I'll get pics tomorrow. They are barking so loud my Dane is barking back thinking there is a dog there. LOL! Have fun! Clay has a whole new meaning to me for viv building.


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# Posted: 16 Apr 2012 20:10


What kind of clay do you use?

vivariman
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# Posted: 20 Apr 2012 07:13


You can use calcium bentonite or sodium bentonite from online suppliers or you can use what is commercially known as "koi clay" (which is usually either of the above or a mixture of the two).

You could also buy certain organic hippy brands of cat litter that is basically pure clay and use that.

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# Posted: 21 Apr 2012 18:26


I saw a list of step-by-step pictures of someone who did a dart tank with the clay cat litter. It seems that it held up pretty well. Although the amount of moisture needed to keep the clay constantly damp might be bad for some species that need more arid conditions....

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