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Mh530
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 01:05


Quick question........Why are frogs so expensive???


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 01:43


There are many answers to that question..... If it is wild-caught then someone had to collect it, get it to a distribution center (exporter), ship it to the purchasing country (often halfway across the world) then get to an importer, then either get shipped to resellers or the customer (this is very simplified, there can be many more steps such as holding in country of origin, sometimes holding in the destination country, etc...) thus all of this work drives up the price. Even with all of these steps many wc frogs are relatively inexpensive (often depending on rarity and difficulty of collection).
If it is captive-bred then price reflects a few different things: difficulty of acquiring the breeders (with many species it is much easier to find a wc male than a female), amount of work involved in getting breeders into good condition and/or to reproductive age, amount of work actually getting the frogs to breed, difficulty in raising the tadpoles/froglets. Rarity in captivity is also reflected in the price. That is why cb Whites treefrogs are commonly around $20 (so many people have them/breed them) while something like a cb Cruziohyla calcarifer is around $175 (they are quite rare and I can only think of one cb source off the top of my head).
Another thing to consider with cb frogs is the reproduction type. Some frogs are explosive breeders (Dendropsophus marmoratus is an example) which means they lay a BUNCH of eggs (sometimes into the thousands), while other frogs exhibit parental care (ex. Oophaga pumilio) and only raise 1 or 2 tads at a time. If a breeder has hundreds of froglets, the costs of breeding are easier to cover so the offspring can be sold much cheaper, while the frogs that only produce 1 or 2 froglets at a time are going to be more expensive (less froglets to cover costs).
I hope this helps....I am sure I left plenty of stuff out so I hope people can expand upon this.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 12:54


Why are frogs so expensive???
what were you looking at, and how much was it?

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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 15:30 · Edited by: Mh530


all sorts of frogs, like the yellow eyed tree frog= $400!!!! The one I was looking at yesterday was the pacman frog. my petstore is selling one for $40. I am not going to get it. it is so retarded to spend that much money on a frog then have it die a couple years later! plus thats not even counting the price of the crickets! Why or they so much money???? there are several defferent frogs I would like to get but they are to much. it would be a waste of money and pointless to get something that would only last a few years. the ones I would like to get are: amazon milk frog, glass frog, tiger leg monkey frog, hachet faced tree frog, red-eyed tree frog, ect. some many defferent type, but all to much money. Don't you guys ever have problems with money?? And I only have 8 frogs and a chinese water dragon. I am sure some of you have TONS of frogs!!!


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 15:31


Most frogs to me are at good prices. What are you looking at?


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 15:52


Its only a high price depending on the interest you have. Many of the frogs you have listed can be long lived...for a frog. And yes there is always the possiblity of getting a frog and it not lasting long. Its happened to me many times over the years. If you,re worried about the price of feeders breed them yourself. Also if store prices are a problem why not hit the nearest show for feeders and pets. Even if you don't buy it can be an awesome day.

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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 16:14


Those prices sound like your in Canada.

Mh530
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 16:33


no, I am in Indaina. it's just I am under 16, so I would have to have my parents drive me to the shows. and I have soon to be 7 siblings so you can imagne how hard it would be for my parents just to drop every just to drive me to a show that is like 2 hours away. I don't want to ask them it would just stress them out.Amphibians~ I said in my last post what I was looking at. for you guy s buy frog like that, you most either be: rich or greatly in debt! sorry if I seem like a party pooper but, it just wouldn't fit in the check book if you know what I mean.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 16:44


Check out kingsnake.com

No driving involved and you can find all kinds of things at good prices.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 17:10


I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Pick a species that fascinates you and that you really want to work with... save up for it. It will mean much more to you than a species you settled for because it was cheap. No frog should be considered cheap. Considering what you can pay for a rare morph ball python, a fancy dog breed, a chameleon, etc. most frogs are not expensive. They all deserve the same level of attention. One person's Holy Grail may not be someone else's. Finding a healthy female of a less common species may be worth that $400 if you are trying to breed! Getting a healthy frog from a responsible seller is much more important. I don't compare price with lifespan...if you get a healthy frog and keep it correctly it will live its natural life regardless how long that is. What means more to me is knowing the frog had a good life in my care whether it lived 2 years or 10.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 17:49


Most frogs other than Green Treefrogs and Firebellied Toads are expensive because they are either rare to the hobby or captive bred.

Like Carlton said, choose a species you like then research it. After you're certain it's what you want then you start saving for the caging and supplies for it, and then you can get the frog. It's usually easiest to order from kingsnake.com, but I would definitely suggest researching the vender selling them before buying.


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Mh530
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 17:57


what happens if you buy a frog and it looks healthy so you buy it, then a week later it dies and you have to flush. As you watch it going down you imagine that the frog is money and you jut flushed(lets say) $40 worth of money that could have gone torward: fixing up your house, paying for some of you bill, or groceries. then you feel bad for wasting the money. how do you fix that???


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 18:41


Life is full of risks! First, reduce the risk by making sure you can care for the frog perfectly and do everything you can to keep it healthy. If it dies you have to take the loss as experience and move on. The sad fact that the frog died would upset me more than the $40. If you can't live with the chance that you'll lose the cost of the frog I'd say don't even buy it, especially if you are completely dependent on your parents for money.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 18:54


If it looks healthy then dies one you the first thing is to try to find what you are doing wrong then look for the solution else where. Once you get the basics down of caring for frogs, you will have pretty good luck with alot of species


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 19:01 · Edited by: Mh530


On am NOT completly dependent on my parents for my money!!! unlike the rest of the world, I work for my money. And I am only 14. did you have $100-$200 when you were 14, or were you completly dependent on YOUR parents???? I get really irritated when someone thinks I don't work for anything and get everything from my parents. I don't have a cellphone, I don't have a tv in my room, I don't have $600 worth of clothing just laying around, I don't have a Ipad or ipod, I don't have a $200 stereo, and I DON'T get free money or get what I want. I buy the things I want(instead of my parents) and I earn the money! So I learn to be resonsable with my money. And buying a REALLY high priced frog that will end up dieing and having nothing show for it is not very resonsable. what do you think???? And with us trying to fix up a military truck to sell and remodel a house I don't think they would want to go to a frog show and I CERTAINLY will not ask them to. just wondering.........what do the rest of you think??? do you think it is dumb to buy something that will be gone wthin a couple of years and have nothing to show far.

your friend comes over to visit.
You: hey! how are you doing?
Your friend: good, how about you. Hey were's your frog? I would like to see it.
You: it died a couple of days ago. And now I feel like shit for not having used the money on something more useful.

for this so called learning experience, don't get exspensive frogs, just go outside and find your own. I know the other types of frogs are cooler LOOKING, but, do they act any cooler, do they die any cooler? I don't see the (for example)red eyed tree frog doing back flips! just get a common frog that deosn't take lots of work/time/money.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 19:42


And buying a REALLY high priced frog that will end up dieing and having nothing show for it is not very resonsable. what do you think????
Haha I am loving this rant!
Well it would not die if you did the research and paid attention what it needs to live.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 19:47


I think you are talking about adult yellow eyes "the yellow eyed tree frog= $400!!!!" because most breeders are offering juvies for around $40. The first time I saw yelloweyes about 4 years ago they were $100 each for juvies. So obviously as more people get them and successfully breed them the price drops. You said that you like bird poops and tigerlegs in another post.....I got 10 birdpoops from mike novy for $100. I think that he sells the hypochondrialis for $15. If you just saved up for a little while you could afford a small group, and you never know you might get them to breed and make your money back (along with some $$$ for more frogs). I remember being younger and being frustrated that all the frogs I liked were so expensive, hang in there!!!!


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Mh530
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 19:47


I am talking about them dieing of natural causes! the only reason you are enjoy this is because you not in reality. don't you see that it is just an animal and not a person!! people are above animals. so...if you don't have enough money to pay for it then forget the frog and use the money for something more useful!


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 19:49


I don't know Megan, those prices sound pretty good to me.
I've got 4 pacman frogs at home: Red Fantasy ($90), Ornate ($70) and two Albino Cranwelli ($40 + $60 each). They were all worth the money to me because all of mine have been pretty hardy little guys, and they can live 10-20+years.

If you don't want something that is going to die really easily on you, then get a frog that is classed as a beginner frog. They are usually hardier then other species.

If you buy from a pet shop, ask about getting a health guarantee. You may have to buy it, but I know Petsmart has a 14 day guarantee on all their live pets. Quite frankly, any frog I buy from the pet shop, if they come in and die on me shortly after I get them, I'd go back and complain. You might get told "to bad so sad", but they might also order you a replacement frog, or let you pick something else in the store or store credit. You'll never know unless you ask right?

Also, if you start to notice that your pet is sick, maybe you should find yourself a vet and bring them to the vet before they die. My mother says that "Bringing your frog to the vet is part of owning a pet, and if you can't afford that then you shouldn't be having one."

If the pet shop price of crickets is too much for you, there are other options out there.
You can buy the crickets in bulk, either from the pet shop or an insect breeder/farm. Ordering them online you can have them shipped right to your door.
You could also breed them, just buy adult females the next time you go to the pet shop, have them lay their eggs, then feed them off.

You could start breeding your own roaches. Blaptica dubia is a good choice for a beginner roach. They don't smell, don't make noise, don't climb glass, don't bite, and are easy to breed. They are also more nutritious then crickets.
Mealworms, superworms and waxworms are all really easy to breed insects too.
You can also go outside and collect Pill Bugs (aka Rollie-pollies, sow bugs), let the adults breed, and make your breeding colony out of the babies (discard the original adults, as they may have parasites). You can usually find Pill Bugs, in the basement, in the garden, or in a wood pile. They like it dark and damp and feed off of decaying matter.

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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 19:50


Pick a species that fascinates you and that you really want to work with... save up for it.
Mh530, this quotes for you! Once you have aquired the knowledge, then you will be able to work with a species you fancsy. Save your $ and you are gold. I have had my losses. When 1st venturing out with rare species at the time C. Cornuta... I bought a frog that I thought I could care for. It was a wild caught C. Cornuta which cost me $100. It ate well for 2 months then died. Lesson learned. That was a few years ago.

For me it is Ceratophrys. That is the species for me.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 19:58


if you save your money you could use for......a new couch, a chair, a table, that is more USEFUL. And I do here the money(that I have earned) for the food, I get all my frogs from the wild. The only pet from a store I have EVER bought was a green tree frog, $6. And I use most of my money on yarn. because you can make something for yourself or to sell. that it more useful. I don't see why you don't understand.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:04


I caught a frog from the wild and it was the size of a pea. I fed it pinhead crickets and micro ants. it ended up getting suck under a rock in the water...drowned. I didn't lose ANY money when it died. thats why is would be better to find a frog from the wild. wouldn't it???


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:07


I am talking about them dieing of natural causes!
Relax Megan, everything dies, it's part of life. Some things just don't live as long as other things.

On am NOT completly dependent on my parents for my money!!! unlike the rest of the world, I work for my money. And I am only 14. did you have $100-$200 when you were 14, or were you completly dependent on YOUR parents????
lol, I had more disposable income when I was in high school then I do now. I even lent my parents money from time to time if they needed it.
I've been working since I was 11 years old. My mom believed that I would appreciate the things I had more if I payed for them.
If there was something I wanted, the thing to do was to save up for it, and then buy it.
Because my dad says "It's only money. There will always be more Money. So why not enjoy life a little bit now and again?"

Basically, if one of these fancy tree frogs will make you happy, there is nothing wrong with saving up and buying your self something nice once in a while. Do your research first though, have a proper environment set up, and quarantine your animals!

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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:09


I think the essence is that for many people keeping frogs is a hobby....something that they spend their expendable income on. Clearly you are very frugal and pragmatic (good qualities) so it may be hard to justify spending money on frogs when it can go towards something else. Maybe you should just stick to what you have, then one day when you have extra money to spend on non-necessities you can get whatever frogs you want.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:15


well, do you think being frugal and pragmatic is a good thing or not. I think it is. I know it is nice to have something fun every once in a while. but......... I m just afraid I will be disapointed that used it for something that wasn't useful later in life. don't you ever look back a wish you had use your money for something else?


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:18


I mean am I to worried about it??


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:23


get whatever frogs you want.
This is so true. It is what you like. Do what makes you happy. I fed it pinhead crickets and micro ants. it ended up getting suck under a rock in the water...drowned. I didn't lose ANY money when it died.
Sounds like you are learning with a species you can catch yourself. I did this when I growing up. I was raising Pacific tree frogs and releasing the froglets into the wild after a week. Yes I fed them pin-head crickets and was happy to release them to their home pond.


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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:23


well, do you think being frugal and pragmatic is a good thing or not.
they were talking about this on the radio the other day! apparently it's a good/attractive quality if you are a woman. However if you are a man, then you just look cheap!

there is nothing wrong with being frugal. It's a good life skill to have. Just don't spend you whole life saving for that rainy day that never happens. I'm not telling you to go spend the rent money either, but having something for yourself is a good thing.

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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:26


Getting anything has it's risks. If you buy an iPod it could get broken or stolen, even cash you have lying around could simply just get stolen. It's the same risk with an animal, it could escape or die. If you can't see yourself spending that kind of money on an animal then take the right of passage that I did and go catch some. You could even wait until your family goes on a vacation and study up on what species live there and try to obtain some then.


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Mh530
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2011 20:32


I don't go on vacations. I go to visit family in illinois though. Sandy_bear~ Rent money? jawsofafrog~ Thats why you keep your money picked and your Ipod savely in your dresser or night stand drawer. And I do like raising wild frogs.


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