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nphilly
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 01:19


hey everyone,

so as i mentioned before i got a new 37 gal tank, so ive been working on it the past few days. i want to hear what you all think!

i had printed out the list of safe plants when i went shopping and only bought ones on the sheet, which i hadnt done with my last tank. i used only bottled water when making the dirt and cleaning everything.

also bought a few new wooden climbers, background fabric, etc...










my questions for you all:

1. how long until i can introduce my frogs into this home?

2. how long after introducing them would you suggest feeding them?

3. how long will the anthurium flower?


any other suggestions you have for me much appreciated!


i have the regular lamp i always use above the tank, but this setup also came with a flourescent hood thing. the humidity gauge is on the back wall, but i need to buy more velcro for the temp...


thanks a bunch!


Nina
Sheri
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 01:51 · Edited by: Sheri


Looks really nice!! I think they will love it.

1. I would introduce them as soon as the temps and humidity have stabilized, so if they are there already, I see no reason not to put them in.

2. It depends on your frogs, mine will eat on their regular schedule no matter what but if you think they may be too busy checking out all the new stuff, wait until tomorrow's feeding time.

3. That depends on how long it has already been in flower. Did you buy it already in bloom? If so, it will be hard to tell the age of the blooms.

Again, nice work!


**SHERI**
hollywood447
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 02:35


Looks great. I just about finished my 55 gal. can't wait to put my WTFs in.

Cheryl Andrews
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 03:09


looks good. I just finished a 29 gal and It's not an easy thing to do so I commend you on this tank. I hope they like it.

k412
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 03:12


I think it looks great! Good job!


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nphilly
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 19:07


thank you, thank youuuuuuu!

its so much more aesthetically pleasing than my last tank... which now i will be able to post on craigslist!

once everything looked good, temps, and humidity, i popped my little froggy boo's in there and i think they like it! its definitely much bigger than the last one so they havent been all over it yet, but i hope they will explore.

as soon as my girl got in there, she pooped. go figure! she alwayssssss does that after i clean or anything. i actually cant find her now... shes off hiding

i did buy the plant in flower, but there are smaller shoots coming up with buds on them too, so i guess i will have blooms a little while longer.


Nina
otis07
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 20:45 · Edited by: otis07


1. I usually wait a day for tanks without a background, just to see if anything goes drastically wrong.

2. Whites are really hardy/hungry frogs, I have gotton some one day, offered food, and they have gorged themselves. I would try no more than three crickets, that way they don't become stressed if they don't eat them.

3. Anthurium are not a seasonal plant, they flower on and off as long as they are kept "happy."

Other suggestions...I know a lot of people use dirt/coco fiber as a substrate for these guys, and its fine, but I like to use sphagnum. I used to use dirt for my group but they always seemed irritated and they tried to kick it off a lot of the time. Some people say they are worried about impaction with the sphagnum, but since I've had my group of 5 whites they have been housed on sphagnum for about 4-5 years now, and I have seen them accidentally grab it instead of a cricket, but every time I have witnessed this they have spit the moss back out.

Dirt is a lot smaller and harder for the frogs to spit out if they accidentally eat it.


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frogal
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 21:23


otis07...I have wondered the same thing about the moss. My wtf are ALWAYS covered in the coco-fiber...ESPECIALLY AFTER EATING! They usually faceplant and get a mouthful of dirt...with or without the cricket! I thought that moss would be less "dirtier" but then I keep reading that it is SO DANGEROUS for wtf because they eat everything.

Who is right? Do you have any pics of your wtf set up?

nphilly
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 21:28


ya very interesting... post em up!

i just feel like eco earth is much safer b/c the granules are just so tiny that they are easy for the frogs to pass safely...

but im sure it is debated


Nina
otis07
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2009 22:27


otis07...I have wondered the same thing about the moss. My wtf are ALWAYS covered in the coco-fiber...ESPECIALLY AFTER EATING! They usually faceplant and get a mouthful of dirt...with or without the cricket! I thought that moss would be less "dirtier" but then I keep reading that it is SO DANGEROUS for wtf because they eat everything.

Who is right? Do you have any pics of your wtf set up?


I'm not sure there is a right answer here, I am just basing this choice on what I have observed. And while it is dangerous if they were to somehow ingest sphagnum, I have my doubts whether this would actually happen. The sphagnum/orchid moss is so large the frogs know its there, they can easily spit out, and I have seen this literally dozens of times. Dirt on the other hand, would be incredibly difficult to spit out if ingested.

So you have two choices

1. Dirt, annoying to the frogs, frequently ingested, but if ingested will pass through

2. Moss, cleaner, infrequently (or never) ingested, harmful if swallowed

I have been using this for over 6 years, and while some will undoubtedly argue I am "risking my animals life" I have yet to see or hear of anyone who has had problems using moss as a substrate.

Here's pics of one of my setups, a 37 cube for 2 males.


and here's a gallery of my whites
http://picasaweb.google.com/mynameisMnM/Amphibians #


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ScreamingDragon
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# Posted: 8 Feb 2009 06:49


That looks great! I am hoping to get some whites soon.

nphilly
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# Posted: 8 Feb 2009 08:36


thanks

I have yet to see or hear of anyone who has had problems using moss as a substrate.

i feel like i have read others' posts talking about their frogs swallowing moss? i dont know.

one time i was using almost like a wood chip kind of barky thing as substrate and i did have a serious problem. i am sooo lucky it didnt end in death. my female white's had swallowed a chip and i was there watching so i reached in and tried to grab it from her but it was too late. i knew it was muchhhhhh too big to poop out so i was waiting everyday to see what happened. after about a week, she threw it up. im lucky she didnt tear up her insides! after that, i try not to take many risks.


Nina
Cheryl Andrews
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# Posted: 8 Feb 2009 13:33


Moss will cause impaction with whites because they are such voracious eaters. It can even wrap around their intestines. I would use cocofiber, and if you wanna use moss use carpet moss so that it's not loose in pieces for them to swallow.

nitedusk
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# Posted: 8 Feb 2009 16:24


Would a simple set up like that encourage breeding?

otis07
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# Posted: 8 Feb 2009 17:09


Moss will cause impaction with whites because they are such voracious eaters. It can even wrap around their intestines. I would use cocofiber, and if you wanna use moss use carpet moss so that it's not loose in pieces for them to swallow.

Have you tried it before? Like I said before its a lot easier for them to take it out of their mouth because its so large. When I have seen problems of impaction its always with a small substrate like sand, dirt is of a similiar consistency but moss is large enough where they spit it out if they get it in their mouth.


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