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nphilly
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 02:27


hey everyone,

im new to this site! just came across it tonight!

i have 2 frogs, lucas and avery, which i have had about 2 years now! i love them. reading these forums, i realize i STILL have a lot to learn!

anyway, i thought they were both whites tree frogs, thanks to petco's wonderful labeling- HAH! but i have always known they appeared very different.

i was wondering if some of you frog experts out there could help me identify them!? gosh, i hope they are compatible and someone doesnt tell me they are mortal enemies! theyve been living together for so long...

let me know if you need better pictures to help me... i have a million!

thank you in advance! im excited to check out everything on here!









Nina
Heather
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 02:34


They look like White's to me

THe eyes are so different though... anyone else find it odd that the one has those dark brown eyes?


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BullfrogGreg
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 02:37


Thats what i was just about the mention, the eyes look completely different on the one.

Jay Willis
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 04:12


Indo and auzzy?

Ethargh
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 04:20


Don't WTFs have those pure brown/black eyes when it's nighttime and they're active and the gold-veined ones when half-sleep in the daytime?

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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 04:22 · Edited by: Heather


I had both an Indo and an Aussy and their eyes were still close to the same color. I've seen some look a little darker but not that dark.

Perhaps it's like the blue/silver one that Steve Busch posted pictures of
http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread &topic=17429&forum=6&page=0

Only chocolate brown LOL

It just throws me off LOL It's neat though... kinda like a blonde with dark brown eyes

And yes, at night they would have large puplies making the eyes appear black. But if you look, you can see that the iris is dark brown and the pupil is visibly black.


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nphilly
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 04:27


neither of their eye colors ever change! lucas has always had those dark dark eyes and avery is just a crazy lady.

one of the other reasons i suspected maybe they were different is the rate of growth. the one with the silvery eyes, is enormous compared to lucas! she just got so big sooo fast!

of course i am just speculating boy and girl lol its what i like to believe


Nina
Jay Willis
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 04:27


Black eye white's tree frog!! Sounds like You have a high dollar frog there!

Heather
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 04:36


I'm fascinated by Lucas LOL I mean he has to be a blue phase Aussy White's... and those eyes!

and I'd guess Avery is an Indo White's

As for the size difference, does Lucas ever call? I'd guess male and female as well. Females can get rather large. I had a girl that was just a little over 4" long and about as wide LOL


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nphilly
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 04:45


lucas used to call...pretty often. not so much anymore... i have never heard avery call... but i did read that females tend to get larger so i figured! lol



lucas




avery picking on a sleepy lucas!



Nina
kimix
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 05:11


So even in bright light, Avery does not get an eyelid looking effect like with the other frog, the gold veined looking stuff?

and do you ever see a 3rd eyelid come up, its the clear membrane they can shield there eyes with, you can see it on Lucus in your 3rd pic, and also in the very last pic where he sleeping

Maybe its a genetic anomaly where she doesn't have the ability to shield her eyes from light like they are supposed to?


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nphilly
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 05:27


hmmmm ya avery does get that 3rd eyelid thing going sometimes, but when she does, it only covers a little of her eyes. not even to the pupil

and she doesnt mind the light like lucas. he is almost always resting when the light is on, but she does her thing all day.

im happy to find out my frogs are pretty special-- not just by my standards lol


Nina
macspoison
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2008 14:38


Your dark eyed whites has a sight issue. I had a near blind blue indo that looked like that. It lived for a long time and didnt seem to phase her much but she would be out an about when all others would be doing the frog thing. She never bred for me and didnt get to be a normal size either. The lip action is also something else to note.

Sometimes a few things squeek by in cb frogs, shorter legs, droopy lips etc. The survival rate is much higher in cb frogs then in a natural spawning situation as I'm sure most know, creating a few odd balls from time to time. One could find the same thing looking through 1000's of hatchling red ear sliders as well. The pastels and other odd balls often have their eyes like the frog above.
Mac


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nphilly
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2008 16:13


hmmmmmmmmmmm im not sure i agree... how does he catch the crickets so well if he cant see? he seems to hunt pretty enthusiastically and turns whenever one is near him

what do you mean by "lip action?"


Nina
macspoison
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2008 16:47


Mine ate with no trouble as well. I'm not saying that the frog IS blind.

The pupils didnt respond the way normal ones did. In your photos at the top or near, the pupils of the frogs are different from each other. (Pic to pic) They seem to stay more open.

In the pics the frog seems to have a droopy lower lip. Or an "under bite". I bred whites and found this once in a while myself.
Mac


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Heather
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2008 16:56 · Edited by: Heather


Aaahh I see what you mean Mac... Luca's pupil doesn't seem to "squint" nearly as much as Avery's. Obviously it isn't something that seems to bother Lucas... all just observations really. It's like a learning process for us all. We don't always get to see the "special ones" of a groupe because normally a breeder would only sell off their "perfect" ones.

In my opinion... I prefer the special ones LOL especially when they are otherwise healthy. Lucas is just adorable LOL


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macspoison
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2008 17:17 · Edited by: macspoison


Correct, there is nothing wrong with it, its just not "perfect".

A breeder like Novy has a more hands on aproach VS a breeder like Sandfire who mass produces amphibians and doesnt always find the odd balls. Bob even said to me befor that he doesnt catch all of the problems. Petco and other pet stores sell these and a few squeek thru the cracks.

If you picked this frog up at a show from a dealer that didnt point it out then same thing.
Mac
ps. an who needs perfection when you have me?


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nphilly
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2008 21:28


thanks for all your help everyone!

p.s. ive always thought perfection was annoying!


Nina
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