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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 13:31


Lately,alot of my dad's hippie friends have been asking me if my frogs are the kind of frogs you can lick and hallucinate. I know they are not(RETF,WTF,and Bullfrog) but I've never heard of this,if its true what kind of frog or toad is it? I have no interest in this, but I am just curious because Ive never heard of that before.Has anyone else?


-Sheryl
Alechan
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 13:47


I have, but I think just Toads have this..."power".
Their skin releases a sort of poison as a defense, but for humans it's nothing and actually licking it might have the effects of some drugs like LSD or stuff like that.
But I donno the details and whether ALL toads can do this.
But it's true.


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TigerFrog
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 14:27


yeah i've heard of it but don't know what frogs or toads have that "power" lmao i would keep an eye on your dad's friend though...lol


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 14:53


Marine toads and Colorado river toads are the main ones they sue for that. I have also heard of them smoknig dried bufo toxin, so same thing knida. When I bought my marine toad a few years ago, they guy asked if I was going to be licking the toad...


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Heather
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 16:22


Do an internet seach on "Toad Licking" and you will get everything from they type of toad, effects and personal accounts. I even found a page that gave directions on how it's done.

From what I read it seems to have the same effects as payoti (sp) mushrooms or XTC.

Personally I could never do it. Just something about first off having to irritate the toad to cause it to release the toxins, then the thought of putting something from a frogs body into my mouth. Ich, no thank you LOL


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amyjk
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 17:14


Well, has anyone here licked their frogs? I have read that with wtfs, they are using the slimecoat for a treatment for the herpes virus. And with P.Dacnicolor, they use the secrections as a pain killer, and it's X times more powerful than morphine.....or something like that.


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Heather
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 17:49


Ok... so if I ever get a "cold sore" I need to pick up a WTF Lip Balm right? LOL

I think it's great that they are finding ways that amphibians can help humans. I just don't want to think about what they do to the poor froggies to get the data


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amyjk
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 18:18


Frogs, cats, dogs, mice, monkeys, rats, and a myriad of others.

Which brings me to, Has anyone seen "28 days later" ?


Amy :)
Convicts4Ever
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 20:37


Haven't seen that movie, but it looks good. The one toad that was named the "licking toad" IS the Colorado River Toad. I've heard of people also licking the Cane Toad too. From what I've read, all Bufo Toads have this same effect, but the Colorado River Toad has the most concentrated mix of the chemicals. I think it's cruel to do that to the poor animal, and they don't deserve it. I'm glad they're looking to amphibians for solutions to diseases.


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tth_lee
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 22:21


I read in an issue of Reptiles magazine that junkies like to boil marine toads and then spread the resulting residue over bread. Apparently it gives them a very quick high after consumption.

Thomas


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Convicts4Ever
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 22:23


That's HORRABLE! If I found anyone doing that, I'd kick their butts!


laters,
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tth_lee
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2003 22:25


Yeah, it is horrible. I think that's why there are laws in certain states against keeping marine toads as pets.

Thomas


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2003 01:59


The Colorado Sonoran/Desert toad (could also be the Colorado river toad) is the one that is licked for it's hallucinogenic effects. Marine toads will mess you up, but wouldn't really make someone have a "trip," just make you really sick and delirious. Most toads will cause this to some degree, but the Marine has a few more toxins and high-enough levels of them to kill, and the Colorado Sonoran (spelling?) has a few more things thrown in that make people vividly hallucinate.


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kissingstars
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2003 03:59


ok I would just like to say that you should watch your dads friends and if your froggies look unusually wet one day.......well you know where that is going.


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Heather
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2003 04:31


Ok, this is a long read... but if you want to know.... click the link.

I actually found it quite interesting. It also starts off with what species of toads produce the "psychic" toxins
http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manuscripts/_912.html


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2003 04:40


Haha, I have no desire to ever lick my frogs or any animals in general, and dont worry,im thinking of a way to put locks on my tanks(j/k,they wouldnt do anything,they were just asking) Thats interesting that WTF slime can help cure herpes, i dont have herpes,and never plan on getting it(because you know,everyone with a cold sore plans on it...duh.haha) but thats something cool to tell people when im showing my guys off.Thanks guys!


-Sheryl
cheshireycat
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2003 07:10


"All Bufo toads have parotid glands on their backs. The parotid glands produce many different biologically active compounds-such as the neurotransmitters serotonin (5-hydroxy-tryptamine), epinephrine, norepinephrine, and dopamine-which vary from species to species"

Lol, so licking a toad could be a useful antidepressant?


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Heather
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2003 07:31


I actually think that part of the research going on with Toad toxins is actually looking into that. It's just finding the right species with the desired combination in the toxins. There are a lot of things that animales have that can help a humans "quality of life" People just need to see that and start taking better responcibility and ensure that these animals will be around long enough for us to gain from them. I just wish that they didn't have to be harmed in the process.


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ginevive
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# Posted: 25 Jul 2003 13:18


I do know that some people kill the toad and smoke its skin for hallucinogenic purposes (gruesome, yet true.) This is done with marine toads and colorado river toads also. But hey, if you wanna "get high", there are better ways in my opinion than killing/licking a toad


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 26 Jul 2003 04:37


Yeah, I think it's terrible to actually kill the toad, especially if you can get the toxins out just by holding the toad. But smoking Marine Toad will not make you hallucinate any more than dehydrating your body or not eating anything will, lol. Those people aren't the, um, brightest! There are better ways to find yourself delirious if you really want to do so.

Are they really looking into toads for antidepressants? That's freaking weird. I was just joking around because of the same neurotransmitters involved in the two I imagine that a medication that would give you more of the targeted stuff wouldn't work as well in the long term as the ones that prevent it's re-uptake, and whatnot. Sounds addicting!


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