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Charles Pugh
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2012 19:33


hi

I have never kept any amphibians before so I'm new to all this.

I have read as much as possible on the Internet and have also bought a couple of small guide books.



this is my set up so far. I should be getting the FBT in a week or two and was just looking for a bit of advice !
as you can see I have a few small plants and I'm looking to add more, I was wondering what would be suitable to put in. maybe setting semi aquatic that would grow out of the water or even something to plant in the Eco earth/ moss I have on the land

secondly the place in wich I have my tank is the other side of the room from the window and doesn't get a huge amount of light. so I was looking for a small lamp that would help the plants but not provide too much heat! would a fluorescent tube light be ok?

many thanks

meyers kristina
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2012 20:50 · Edited by: meyers kristina


one or multiple FBT?
Looks to be a ten gallon? Is it more? That may be limiting yourself at 10, if it is, and you'll have to do more frequent water changes to avoid bacteria and waste byproduct overload.
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How deep is water?

I'd urge a QT ( quarantine) etc.

I would remove moss and use a coco-fiber type substrate to avoid impaction. You could seed the coco-fiber with reputable raised safe spring-tails and isopods like the Spanish orange and dwarf white, and the tropical spring-tails seem larger to me so they are an option to help aid in a clean-up crew basically and extra food as a snack if seen?

Try to do bare bottom or larger pebbles, this is up to you.

A filter is necessary. looks like you have a pump? or is it a filter too? Green plant may be OK there ( best if everything was cleaned IMO before doing set-up), not sure on species of plant, can you let me know so I can help you out? Others have experience and can offer advice too.

I can possibly tell you where it should go if it isn't a water loving one, so it doesn't die? Pothos plants/very similar ones and standard English ivy's go well to add some bio-filtering to water and substrate. Pothos will actually grow in water as they are nearly indestructible. They can handle trampling too.

The top, seal off any edges not sealed, they can corner and climb out, that I know and heard, so any way to get out, secure down. I.e. silicone some stainless steel mesh screen there.

Temp?
humidity should be good with water, I would do 3 inches min and 6 max. with a way out of water by slope or by other deco.

yes a fluorescent is fine. If you want a Compact florescent lighting would work too. Avoid the heat ones. The spiral ones are fine and 5000-6500K optimum for certain plants like broms to add color, otherwise standard compact fluorescents and/or tube is fine. Just avoid too much heat. Heat aids in bacteria and also in some cooked frogs if you are not careful.

12 on 12 off light cycle easily achieved using a non-digital cheap plug in timer.

I know moss looks great, but remove to avoid impaction TBH.

I would recommend pothos, but if you do a background you can do broms and even trail ivy or just some pothos and ivy and some lucky bamboo in a heavy pot for the bamboo surrounded by large pebbles like those black ones.They love water so black pebbles you got there in a pot will do fine usually that has a hole in pot bottom, like the orange pots. I would bleach and rinse well any plants with a recommended 1 parts bleach to 10 parts water and swirl around in it to get any pests off and any pathogens too and rinse very well, I usually will pat dry with a paper towel after. You can still do this to the plant inside, but if you do, it'd make sense to do the whole tank then and during QT will have the time to do. It is a pain and a small one to bleach plants, but best JMHO.

Treat any tap water with a good conditioner like the "Prime" or similar nova plus brand. Something to aid in water changes like a siphon and perhaps a net to sift out any crickets that drown etc after they eat.

The huge Rock is fine in there,IMO as far as deco, good landing area. If you need to, get some plexiglass cut to size to separate water and land and sand down rough edges so your substrate stays still if you want. It is all up to you and what you think is best. Doesn't look bad, just some little things to do.

substrate: I would use leca ( clay balls) and a fiberglass black mosquito screen cut to fit over it, and then a coco-fiber based substrate on the land side so there is drainage and not stagnant. The cocofiber won't have the impaction risk the moss does. The plexiglass or glass cut to fit across there and sanded a bit on edges with a way up and out will help your substrate from getting into water and making it dirty. Well maybe others can jump in here. Anything (besides animals) can be bleached and rinsed and/or baked, just dont burn the home down baking things like wood after soaking it. I bake for a couple hrs any wood or substrate but that is me and others will have different opinions.

Others will be by and all have differing opinions


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# Posted: 30 Apr 2012 21:06 · Edited by: Charles Pugh


Thanks for the reply !



here is a picture from the side view ( forgot to include earlier! )

i am just getting the one FBT to begin with, and yes it is a ten gallon tank. The land part is made up with aquarium gravel, then a layer of moss, then a layer of coco fibre and then some more moss ( i read they like to bury themselves into the moss a little ?)

there is a small aquarium filter thats in the corner yes. the lid i have at the moment is pretty flimsy and i have read as you stated that they are good at escaping! so i was thinking of cutting some plexiglass to fit on top as a lid ? with maybe a few holes in to help with air circulation.

in regards to the lighting, will any florescent tube light do ? will the be ok attattched to the inside of the lid with the humidity in the tank etc?

the water in the tank has all been treated with Tetra Aquasafe, and everything has been washed thouroughly with boiling water before i put it into the tank. (gravel, large rock and the tank itself, and the coconut hide)

I have no idea what the plants are in there, i bought them from an aquatics centre that sold all reptiles fish etc

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# Posted: 1 May 2012 00:31 · Edited by: Amphibians


If you want to keep the moss. You will have to bowl feed them and watch that they are not going after any crickets in the moss. Or you move them to a plastic tub or plastic storage container and feed them in that. Firebelly toads are pigs and they are one of the few frogs that even moving them wont stop them from eating. I would go with removing the moss tho but if you dont then just bowl feed them. That means putting a large bowl in the tank with the crickets in the bowl so they can not climb out making them easy grabbins for the frogs.

They wont bury themselves if they are active and healthy.

look at your local petsmart/petco for the exo terra 26 watt bulbs. they do not produce much to any heat which is good and they will give the proper UV's for your plants to grow. I use them for my Dart frog tanks andhave really good plant growth.
Heres a link to the bulbs, Zoo med makes their own version also

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/compact_fluor escent_bulbs.php


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Charles Pugh
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# Posted: 1 May 2012 10:12


thanks for the advice ! I shall remove the moss after what you've said. don't want them getting impacted and sick. and yeah I have decided to buy an exo terra compact nano canopy to put ontop of a lid I'm going to make.

thanks for the advice !

meyers kristina
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# Posted: 1 May 2012 11:50 · Edited by: meyers kristina


actually skip the exo-terra bulbs, they are a waste of money. Get a compact fluorescent or two or get a tube normal. If you need broms to color up, look for 6700 K on package at home depot or lowes. Saves a ton.


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# Posted: 1 May 2012 12:09


thanks! I shall do that then. just bought the exo terra canopy. the one that houses two bulbs. I shall look at other bulbs instead of the exo terra ones

meyers kristina
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# Posted: 1 May 2012 12:52


yeah you'll save so much money. Here I get mine for a quarter of the cost with better lighting


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# Posted: 1 May 2012 13:16


haha that sounds good to me ! will definitely go for that

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# Posted: 5 May 2012 04:18


You do have a lid for that right?


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# Posted: 5 May 2012 14:27


I do not know if anyone pointed this out but your plant on the left that looks like a fern is a aquatic plant.


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# Posted: 6 May 2012 12:42


Ampibians- your right that is definitely a water plant.


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# Posted: 6 May 2012 18:12


Yea it should be 100% summerged in water


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# Posted: 6 May 2012 19:15


be sure to post pics of them when they are in their new tank(: i remembered my fbts.... donated them to a preschool(:


2 big eyed tree frogs- Lola and Yoshi
1 Leopard Gecko- Wags(:
1 bearded dragon- Eragon
1 poodle- Bella (named before twilight)
1 black lab- Onyx
too many fish to count :)
greene
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# Posted: 6 May 2012 19:30


I would probably add some more places to hide if your getting more than one


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Charles Pugh
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# Posted: 9 May 2012 16:59


found a great eBay seller for people on the uk. they sell a range of plants specially for reptile/amphibian tanks. no pesticides etc! really cheap too and with great reviews !

sparks0412 - is the name of the seller.

have ordered a few for my tank!

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