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becki
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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 16:38


I would be panicing too after they attacked my frogs the last time. For one, I don't want my frogs hurt and for two it's not the easiest process to tear down a tank and start over again and again. The people huffing this off as an innocent bug invasion aren't taking the time to go back and see what happened to her frogs the last time. Cate is like me, her frogs are like her kiddos and I'd be equally upset about this and want to get to the bottom of it. So if you can assist her in doing so, please do. And if you can't, don't simply downplay this as nothing of concern.
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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 16:39


For real,if it happened to one of you you'd be panicing just as much.


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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 17:07


I agree and I am trying my damnedest to help find out something. I would be freaking out if I had bugs in my setup and they were munching on my froggies!


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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 17:20


But I want to identify them. they bite my frogs so it would be good to help other people identify them before its a problem. you need to know if you get bugs weather is a panic remove frogs straight awaythis second problem, or not.

Im going to try and get a better look at one now. if i can catch one without squashing it...


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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 17:54 · Edited by: Heather


I hope you can catch one to get a better look at. If you have a hard time nabbing one without crushing it try using a piece of clear scotch tape that way you'll be able to see through it and get a look at all sides. How hard are they? Are they shinny or dull? Do they jump or crawl? I'm still looking for ya Cate!

If we can't find it then I may have a couple places you can email the picture to.


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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 18:03 · Edited by: blink




heres the best pic i can get the squares are 1 cm (0.4 of an inch)

any ideas? they run about very fast and seem to jump if you touch them, (but that could be flying i cant tell)

they are shiny with stipes as you can see

and they squish easily. you cant even feel it when you squish one


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Roland_of_Gilead
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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 20:44


I've told you, they are springtails...There are many different kinds..And they come in many different sizes. They don't have wings, that is a hump. And yes, I've read the posts.

What I would do, take or mail a sample to a local entomology department at a college, and take the frogs to a vet, and ask their advice. Take the frogs out of their enclosure, toss everything and set them up into a barebones quarantine enclosure with construction paper on the back and sides of the tank, paper towel substrate, plastic plants, a few pieces of sterilized corkbark, sterilized branches, and a water bowl.
Do this until the results come back.

But as Shrek said, just let the tank dry out and they're numbers will lessen. I think it's very much unfair that I'm struggling to keep this species alive in my cultures, yet you have a problem with yours.

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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 21:39


A collembolan, or springtail. These tiny insects may be abundant on wood, feces, fungus, and other organic materials in the cave.

http://www.utexas.edu/depts/tnhc/.www/biospeleology/collem.jpg

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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 22:48


I would agree with you Roland, although I would wait until the results come back before tearing down the tank.

Cate, are you absolutly positivly sure that those were the bugs that took a munch out of your frogs? Have you seen them eating tthe frogs? My guess is that those are tiny nuisance bugs and that what caused those bited were some flesh eartng flies or somthing. Thats what I would say.


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# Posted: 13 Jun 2003 23:06


I have taken the frogs out (last night) i gre they do look like the last posted pic. but everyone says spingtails dont harm frog. and last time my frogs had bits, a hell of a lot of them. so if there are different types of springtails then be wary cos some bite. Im ripping down tank tommorrow, completley (which i hate cos as you know a well planted tank is a buggert ro make in a day)and all new.

so if these are springtails then justplease all be wary

Cate


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# Posted: 14 Jun 2003 01:00


I think everyone owes Roland an appology for jumping on him when he was right all along.


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becki
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# Posted: 14 Jun 2003 03:06


If I offended anyone I do apologize. If they are springtails then they are, my hats off to Roland for knowing that they are. BUT, the reason everyone was getting a bit upset is because it was stated that springtails are harmless to frogs and are no reason for concern - and these critters did attack Cate's frogs before, biting them and leaving numerous sores all over them. In my book, that is very valid reason for Cate to be a bit upset and concerned. So, Roland, I meant no disrepect to your knowledge at all and I do apologize if I came off that way, I truly was not intending to - my prior post was not directed to you nor is the following, just to clarify.
Having said that and giving my apologies where they may have been due, I think that some apologies may be owed to Cate for treating her as if she isn't able to recognize what she should be concerned about or not for her frogs well being.
Becki

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# Posted: 14 Jun 2003 13:04 · Edited by: blink


Im sorry for not thinkingthere wer springtails, but when you search for pic you get things like...



which certanly dont look like the bugs i have...but then i found

which does look like my bugs.

Do you get different types of springtails??? And I think people should be a little bit more carful saying they do not bite, because they do. (maybe just the type I have)The bites showed up much more on my Albinos. I didn't even notice any bites on my greens. I only looked very closely after seeing them on the yellow ones. then saw they had the same, the bites are teeni, but when you have loads it can be very unpleasent.

Cate


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# Posted: 15 Jun 2003 07:45


Blink, the second pic you posted resembles the last to me, lol. I'd assume their related bugs, if not the same species.

Ah, so that leads me to the question: Are springtails a single species (with different subspecies or what have you), or a cluster of them, all related?


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# Posted: 15 Jun 2003 12:25


the last pic is one i found that looks like the bugs I had (all gone now) but the others dont.

Im still trying to research if you get different types of springtails. If i find anything all tell you

Cate


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