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Charlie
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2003 18:08


is pollution bad there?


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2003 18:27


It's bad anywhere


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Charlie
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2003 18:31 · Edited by: Charlie


yeah derek thanks for the obvious answer. But I was asking specifically about his area. Some areas are worse than others. Let me know about Hong Kong when you live in Hong Kong Derek.


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2003 18:50


will do


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Heather
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2003 19:00


Even if he is gone you might want to still contact a herp vet and see how much it would be for them to look at him and perhaps they can tell you what it was, just incase it happens again you know?

I am SO sorry about your loss, it's so sad. Rest assured that you did all you could and that at least he passed in the presence of someone who truely cared about him.


* Heather *

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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2003 20:36


Was your frog an adult? And are redeyes suppossed to be that skinny? I got my two little guys in yesterday and theyr ein their new home now,and one of them was even eating and soaking and scoping out the area last night. The other was too,just not like the rambunxious one. The other is also skinnier then the outgoing one,it looks like how the one in the pic is skinny. I am of course,as usual, worried. Theyre both only Juveniles so Im probably going to feed them each everyday as much as they can eat until they get about 1 3/4 inches. Theyre about an inch and less then a half now. And i know how you feel about losing a frog after a few days. I had my pacman for a week,and when he died i felt so aweful,eventhough i barely knew him. It just hurts to think you failed. But you didnt fail,neither of us did,and none of us do.We all do the best we can for our pets andd thats awesome that they can atleast burn out instead of fading away.


-Sheryl
Alechan
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 03:37


Thanks Spydergirl, I was really wondering whether I did enough for the frog. I did all I could, a bit slowly maybe cos it was the first time to me. But a frog dying in 3 days is really a rush and a surprise, especially when he's just bought.

I'm no expert but I do think that he was too skinny. I asked the salesman but he said he was fine. You know how much I trust that shop...
I guess this frog hadn't been eating for more than a weak at least.

About pollution: HK is amazingly polluted, disgustingly...At least where I live the water is not full of rubbish and there are boats passing by.


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becki
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 04:15


I'm sorry to catch this as late as I have as if I had caught this earlier I could have walked you through what was happening - not that the end result would have been any different unfortunately. But I'll tell you what I can in case you ever experience something like this again. The motions you saw, though they do loosely resemble shedding, were actually seizures. The opening of the mouth and wiggling of the belly, inflatiing of air happen with both but the straightening of the legs is seizuring. I am no vet and I can't diagnose exactly what happened with your frog but I can speculate based on what info you have provided, and I am 100% sure he was having seizures as I have witnessed this first hand with my own frog and can vividly picture what you are describing. It is highly possible that the jump to the floor caused a jarring of his brain resulting in a bleed into his eye. The seizures are a result of the jarring as well as increased pressure in the brain due to the bleeding. A vet would have been able to diagnose him for you, but I don't think there would have been any successful treatment. This is just one of those irreversible things. I am so sorry you have had to experience this - what you witnessed is IMO a very gut wrenching ordeal to watch. I do think Noodle was correct in advising euthanasia, and in case you do ever need it for future reference - you do the oragel first and then can freeze the frog overnite afterwards if you wish. Again I am sorry for your loss and wish you the very best of luck with your other frogs.
Becki

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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 08:00


I'm sorry this happened to you and your frog, Alechan. That store really has to be run by a bunch of jerks and you should do everything in your power to get a full refund and report that shop. If you're a minor you might have a good chance, and if you talk to a vet they might know all the laws. Either way, they shouldn't have sold you an emaciated pet and told you it was A-ok. I just bought two baby red eyes and they're fat little balls. It's a shame stores like that exist and get away with what they do. Either way, any store with good morals would probably give you another frog in it's place if they felt there was something possibly wrong with it before they gave it to you (which should be obvious by how skinny it was when you got it). Those people are full of crap. I'm very, very sorry for your loss and experience.

Anyway, Becki, not to change the subject so abruptly, but just out of curiousity... What does orajel do to the frog? Does it numb it's body or stop it's functions? I mean, is the orajel alone adequate at euthanasia, or would freezing it afterwards be what puts it to sleep, only orajel numbs the pain?


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Charlie
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 08:11


Thank you for your support Beck, I wasnt sure if I was right in advising euthinasia but I thought about what I would do if I had an animal that I thought was in extreme amounts of pain. As to the frog, you should go to the shop and tell them what happened to the frog, bring him in with you. If you ware to try to get any kind of refund, or save another animal from their shop. You will need to bring in the dearly departed as proof in 99.99999% of the cases, due to people who have abused the death policies and just said their animal died to get another. Again alechan, I am sorry to hear about your frog, and I hope you stick around to learn as much as possible about your little froggie children.


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Alechan
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 13:33 · Edited by: Alechan


This little frog tought me a lot in such a short time. He didn't die invain, but I'm sad it happened.
I had to bury him in the sea today cos it was getting bad (his skin was getting worse pretty fast) and I'm sure that shop won't give it a sh*t if the animal died or not.
Anyway, it's not money that I want, I just want to see people properly taking care of these little animals and their owners.
Seems that if there are beasts in the world they are among people, not among animals.

I will surely stick around here to learn and share more. Thanks.

PS I posted a message in a Hong Kong forum about frogs. I wrote about my experience and I mentioned that damn shop.


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Alechan
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 13:44


Here's the mail I sent them just now:

Hi,

you know me. I'm the one who came with the sick Red Eyed Treefrog on friday.
I want to tell you that he died yesterday night after I came back from the shop. I had bought it on tuesday, 3 days before.
I came to you looking for help but seems you don't care much about your animals and even less about your customers.
You tried to blame me for not being able of taking care of the frog, even though I told you he was sick the first day I bought it.

I hope this frog didn't die invain and you can learn that a good advice can help an animal and keep a customer.
Watching such a beautiful frog dying as I saw it's a very sad experience that maybe you never had or you never cared about.

I hope this can change.

Regards


--- Not to be cheesy but...love solves more than anger ---
n74gordon
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 19:15 · Edited by: n74gordon


hey there-
-sorry to hear about the loss.

nate http://pubpages.unh.edu/~ngordon


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RIBBIT
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 17:43


awww that is such a sweet story and sad I bought 2 tads yesterday, EGTFs and one of them seems a little slow moving sometimes and they just stay at the top of the water, they look dead to me but when i get close up to the bowl they move so i become relieved. Sorry again for your frog my thoughts are with u and him hope your other frogs do fine!


-Natz : )
sharpshot
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# Posted: 29 Jun 2003 16:31


As I'm just kind of skimming through this, I remembered my first red eye. Mine was a baby but it seems to me that red eye's have the most problems of all the frogs I've ever seen. He had something called Spindly Leg Syndrome(or so my friend tells me) Its where his back legs and sometimes his front legs do not devolp naturally. They will devolp in weird shapes or just not devolp as the frog grows.
My lil guy died of not having strong enough legs because he went swimming in his little shallow water dish and couldnt kick himself out, he drowned. If I were you I would get a hold of a White's because they are easy to care for, cool, and you can treat them like cats. Or if you want more of a tree frog. Get a Big Eye Tree Frog or a Clown Tree Frog(in my own opinion). RETF's have always been hard to care for especially if your not used to taking care of them.

And since you live in Hong Kong, the long way it takes for them to be shipped can have major major problems. I live in Wisconsin and the dealer I get mine from is in Illinois(right below Wisconsin) so the freight time Is little to none.
Be Careful when buying from pet stores. Look the frog or other anmial over really cloesly, and if something happens in the store, like if he falls on the ground or just something that you dont think is right or might have long term problems, do not buy that specific frog. See if they have a different one or wait till they get more in.
That is really all i have to say, I hope that Some of that advice helps you on your quest to find the perfect Red Eye.


Thanks :)
Alechan
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# Posted: 30 Jun 2003 03:37


Thanx guys.
I still love RETFs but I'm scared now, everytime I see those big red eyes I remember those of the little pal who left me.
I surely will get another later, but I need to wait longer.
The memory of that little thin weak body (as he was during his last hours) is still too fresh.

There's no need of shipping RETFs in Hong Kong cos shops here might have them once in a while, I just have to check. What I don't trust are the shops. People in there are just salesmen who know nothing or little about their animals (in most cases).


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