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CarrieBean
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 04:50 · Edited by: CarrieBean


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I think I can definately rule out shedding, as he passed away sometime in the night. I found him streached out on the floor of the viv in the morning. I don't think I'm cut out for the frog world. I don't want to buy another, but I also don't want gordo to live alone. What do you think I should do? Whatever killed Jesse killed Peque, but it's not in the viv or contagious, because I completely cleaned out the tank when Jesse died, (we're talking boiling water, new substrate, fake plants, the whole works), plus Gordo is one of my origional frogs, and he's completely unharmed. I just don't know what's causing it! What do I do?!
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Ok. Here's the deal:
My relatively new GTF started comming down with the symptoms of Jesse(who died before he moved in). I think I caught it in time. I sent him to the happy froggie spa/quarentine, which is their old, smaller viv. which also happens to now house my freedom-seeking crickets. So, he had a lot of food, I increased humidity, but not temp, and gave him water. His poo looks normal and all that, no weird color or spots.

His symptoms: scary hiccup thing (whole body jerks then he gets really skinny, then gulps air and fills out again. Definately not a good thing.)
Got skinny, didn't hop around, did more streachy-walking thing.

He looks much better, is eating more and getting fatter and seems more energetic.

His tank-mate is fine,fat and happy, (he was also fine when the other one was sick and died.) I'm wondering if he could be the cause, like a carrier of something. I cleaned the viv. really really well after the other one died, so I don't think that's it. Any advice guys??
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CarrieBean
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 04:58


Could Gordo be a mean frog? I was making sure he was eating every time I fed them. Or could Gordo be a carrier of something?

mve
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 05:30


frogs dont need companions. you dont need to get him a "friend". i would just stick with him. i dont know what is killing your frogs, but a big misconception is that frogs get lonely. dont worry about that, he will do fine by himself.


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Charlie
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 05:41


Animals can be passive carriers of diseases and parisites, where the infectant can live inside of them without harming the host. And through contact with the host animals feces, or bodily fluids; your other animals can become sickly or worse die. Also some animals can die from stress/fear. If Gordo was a dominant frog and the other frogs thought he would try to injure or eat them (even if he couldn't) that could stress them to the point of death.

What do you have in your tank? If you have small pebbles or clumps or substrate, your animals could be ingesting it when they feed and die from impaction it they cannot regurgatate it, or force it out through the other end.

When I think about it now it sounds like he could of been trying to force something out.

I am sorry to hear about your loss. Inspect your tank well and explore your options for setup, and try to monitor your remaining frog as much as possible. If he acts different remove him to a quarintine tank.

I'm sure when I say "we're all sorry to hear about your loss and we're pulling for you." That I speak for the majority of us all.

Wes


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CarrieBean
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 05:57


I have "reptibark" which is supposed to be safe for lizards and frogs. My brother and I actually thought Gordo might have been blind when we got him because he accidentally missed many times and got a mouth full of bark rather than cricket, but he wiped it out of his mouth and he's fine. He doesn't do it anymore. In fact he's getting fat, hence the name change.

Thanks for your condolences, it does mean a lot.

lukeybaby
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 06:13


what is your setup like eg: temps humidity etc???

luke z


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Charlie
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 07:28


What kind of lighting also. if your frogs were basking a lot and it was to hot that coulda cooked em.


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 13:04


I suggest you chnge your substrate to bed-a-beast or paper towels. If gordo is getting big, he will accidentaly swallow a piece of rept-bark sometime. I use paper towels in quarintine tank so no one is in danger. I have a fat waxy I was going to name gordo(a), but snce you got it, I will think of another. Hope they get better.


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Charlie
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 13:25


yeah I dont think I would use reptile bark for a frog personally, for a reptile it should be fine though.


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amyjk
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 15:07


I'm sure when I say "we're all sorry to hear about your loss and we're pulling for you." That I speak for the majority of us all.


*I believe this is a secret ploy of kingnoodle to hog all the posts* since he is now speaking for all of us!!!!


Amy :)
Charlie
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 16:31


haha. No but no one else was on at the time. Reply if you must


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amyjk
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# Posted: 13 May 2003 19:40


well we all cant be on the computer 24/7.


Amy :)
Charlie
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# Posted: 14 May 2003 01:03


sure you can... Quit your job move to Florida and join my commune.


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Heather
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# Posted: 14 May 2003 16:31


I'm so sad

Between your loss and Dana's poor lil Bobbie.... makes me with I could take out my Leo's and give them all a hug.

I'm so sorry hun


* Heather *

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CarrieBean
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# Posted: 15 May 2003 01:51


Thank you all so much. Setup is fine, I keep the humidity right and the light is kind of strong, but it's set above the tank, not on it. Is there any way to get them sunlight without heat? It's starting to feel like summer now. It can get up to a hundred without any help from heating pads and lamps, which is definitely not a good thing.

I'll look into bed a beast. The pet stores around here cater mainly to cats, dogs and fish, and petsmart only carries one brand of any product, but there has to be someone. You can get anything on line, so I could resort to that too. Maybe I'll sw3itch from frogs and go to full on cactus farming. They're indestructible.

becki
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# Posted: 15 May 2003 03:17


Carrie, don't be so discouraged. If you've done your research and you know you're doing everything right than it's not you. Frogs can come hoem from the pet store and already be sick but not show recognizable signs for quite some time. And it is possible that Gordo is a passive carrier of something or that since he is already an acclimated frog that he did not fall victim to whatever the illness or problem was. I have no clue exactly what happened to your frogs but it may be a good idea to leave Gordo by himself. It wouldn't hurt to have a fecal exam done on him and make sure everything he has with him in his tank has been thoroughly cleaned since the other frogs were in the tank. If you can't find any b-a-b (sold under various different names by different companies) you can ask a pet store to order it for you - it's ground coconut fiber bedding which comes in a brick. You can also use pesticide/fertilizer/vermaculite(?sp) free soil as a substrate as well. Or even paper towels will work. If your temps are getting up to 100 you nned to find a way to cool things down so by all means do away with the heat light and a fan or something in the room as well. You can use flourescent lights as a light source and they do not emit any heat. Hope this helps.
Becki

Charlie
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# Posted: 15 May 2003 05:29


I only use 2 flouro light sets for my day lights over my tank. Mounted on my ceiling. I'd estimate about 4' above the top of my tank. That is plenty of lighting and doesnt add any heat.


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zoinks768
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# Posted: 26 May 2003 05:05


I'm not sure if reptibark is good for frogs...hmmmm...I never used it..always used Forest Bedding or some nice moss. Isn't that mostly used for lizards??? Just my personal opinion, but I think Forest Bedding or Eco Earth would be better at keeping moisture then Reptibark. Maybe you could make the cage half reptibark and half of something else?? Or...put the bark around the water dish..i bet that would look neat.


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 31 May 2003 06:53




I'm only going to post here because I'd like to respond about something, but I'll post this elsewhere also, since I'm really freaked out about my green tree frogs (GTF). I'm freaked as hell, so this will be long!

I have an adult male GTF which is also doing the "hiccup" thing and the "stretchy-walky" thing. I know he is sick, though. Although he's acting normal (other than filling up with air, and pushing it out with his legs on one side, then the next, and stretching his legs strangely.. and opening his mouth quite a lot), he has black blotches on his face. One of my females has had them on her back for a week (I thought nothing of it because she had scratches there from before), but she hasn't exhibited any other symptoms. Anyway, he's had the blotches for at least two days and has been acting funny with the whole hiccup/stretchy thing for three days now. Today, I saw him removing a thick, white, slimy film off of him. I'm terrified. I also have a third female in the tank who hasn't had any symptoms.

Yesterday, I put hydrogen peroxide on the male's face (on the black marks) with a Q-tip and they seemed to stay the same or even get worse. After a few minutes, I put him in a malachite green solution. I then applied un-diluted (.075%, if I remember correctly) malachite green on the markings and within an hour they had drastically reduced. I thought he'd be better today, but I caught him acting funny again, plus he now has that slimy coating. The sick female's black markings on her back got worse, but I put malachite green on them both today. I also applied neosporin on the markings.

My questions are:

1) Does anyone know what this is?

2) Should I find a special vet, or can I cure this myself?


Well, thanks in advance for anyone's help or effort. Whew!


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 31 May 2003 06:57


After reading the shedding info on CarrieBean's prior post, I suppose my male could be shedding. I had thought that's what it was the first time it happened, or that he ate WAY too much (absolutely gorged himself stuffed on crickets!), but three days later he really worried me. Also, the mucus stuff was all over his hind legs and some of his belly. Even if this is shedding, he seems quite sick to me.


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