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spooble
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 00:51


EWWW... I'm so freaked out! I can't stand roaches and there's a nice pair living happily in my 40 gal dart tank :/ Two very nice specimens... the male is about the same size as my tincs... the female is a little larger and has an egg case hanging from her abdomen EWww... I must have a cockroach phobia cause it makes me all willy just typing it!

Anyway, I've just setup a temp tank to move my frogs to. A simple 10 gallon with paper towels in the bottom and some pothos clippings and a small plastic pot turned on it's side to offer some hiding. I've got a heating pad under it on low and my mechanical temp and humidity gauges are in there. I'm gonna give it another 30 minutes or so and see if the temp looks good. Then I'll try to catch Fred and Wilma and move them over.

Then I've got a quart jar I'm gonna use as a roach trap. I put a slice of bread in it and a little water, and I rubbed Astro Glide (out of vaseline) around the inside rim. Hopefully this will attract the pair of roaches.

I can tell Fred and Wilma are a little stressed by the roaches. I know I am!

Well, I already have a plan, I guess I'm just looking for some assurance, guidance, or advice. Let me know if my plan seems flawed in any way. It looks like I'm gonna have to tear down and start over on the 40 gallon.. especially if that roach has already laid other egg cases. EWW

Thanks all.

Chad

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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 00:54


I would just pick up and take em out. I dont like em either but sometime you just gotta buck up and do it. We've got flying roaches down here called palmetto bugs that can get about as big as your hand. (Dont ask me to pick one of those guys up though. Thats baseball bat time).


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spooble
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 00:58


King Noodle,
It's not that simple. First off, I wouldn't touch a cockroach if I was on Fear Factor about to win $50 grand!
But more importantly.. it's just not possible with my tank. Look...


The roaches seem to like hiding under the log, and are very fast because of the high temperature in the tank. Beleive me, I've already tried smooshing them, but they're too fast.

Chad

Charlie
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 01:03


I wasnt trashing you. And nice tank btw.


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spooble
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 02:08


Whew... got Fred and Wilma transfered over. That was the first time I've touched my frogs. I put them in straight from the cups I bought them in 7 months ago. Anyway.. I was quite tense, but all went well. They didn't seem to be overly frightened in their new tank, and they ate well when I fed them. Stupid fish tank lid lets the smart flies climb out, but that's the least of my worries! I've got my mason jar trap set in my 40 gal tank. Hope they take the bait And I also hope Astro Glide works as well as Vaseline. It's much thinner than Vaseline, but "smooth as silk" hehe. Hopefully it will work.

I'm still looking for advice from you cockroach experts on here I haven't seen any babies yet, but the female was carrying an egg case. I dunno if it's the first or not. Anyone know how long it takes for the eggs to start hatching? Eww.. still freaked out!
Thanks.

Chad

PS. I'm a little worried about Fred and Wilma in their new home... It was together for all of an hour before I put them in. Say a little froggy prayer for them

spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 02:24


Sounds like your a good daddy! Im not too cool with cockroaches either,i dont think many people are. How exactly did they get in your tank? Your tank is gorgeous,im quite envious of you.what kind of plants do you have in there?are they all live. let us know how the roach trap works.


-Sheryl
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 02:47


Hopefully it's the first. An female German cockroach needs to mate only once, and can store enough sperm from that to fertilize the rest of her eggs. I don't think that German cockroaches lay eggs, but just incubate their eggs in their bodys and give live birth. I used to have a fear of cockroaches also, then I bought some Lobster roaches for my herps, they're the easiest feeder insect one can raise, next to rice flour beetles.
Make sure that aquarium that your darts are in has sufficient humidity, fish hoods don't keep it in that well.
Nice tank btw.

spooble
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 02:55


Hey Spydergirl,
Thanks. Glad you like my viv. Yes, they're all live. Well.. were alive. That picture was taken soon after I finished setting it up. My tank tends to be very wet. The water feature dumps into the 5 inches of water in the bottom and that causes lots of little water droplet splashes all over the tank. The red "Home Depot" bromeliad in the back left rotted out after about 3 months. It also proved to be too wet for most of the Tillandsias in there. A Cryptanthos pup that I mounted is doing quite well, and the fireball bromeliad in the middle is also. The fitigonia is growing really well, but got very "stemmy" (long stems, small leaves) after a while. I don't have a green thumb, so I don't know what "long stems" is a sign of. I guess I need more light. I haven't switched over to compact flourescents yet. Maybe that will help. I'm currently just using 2 x 18" bulbs (the normal 10gal tank kind).

I added a white and green variety of Pothos after some of the initial plants rotted out. That stuff grows anywhere.. It sends out runner roots that will adhere to almost any surface. I have to trim it every couple weeks. I also added an unknown tall plant with heart/spade shaped leaves. It is growing well also.

Chad

spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 03:08


yeh i know th eheart shaped ones your talkign about,theyre nice and sturdy and depending on where you buy them, sometimes expensive. Ive got plenty of pothos in my tank and they grow like crazy and its only been a few weeks. That brom in the back you have that rotted was really really nice. i need to get some color in my tank,its all green brown and the black background.may get a cocofiber background. thanks for responding.good luck with the roaches.


-Sheryl
Shrek
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 03:11


Awesome viv spooble. Can't offer any advice on this one sorry but just had to tell you I thought your viv is ace.

Derek Benson
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 03:23


Compact fluorescents would help your broms tons. http://www.ahsupply.com has great compacts from what I have heard.


Derek Benson - Phyllomedusa/Hyperolius Enthusiast
audiotaylor
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 07:39


You're right, your fittiona's long stems/small leaves are caused by low light. Power compacts should fix the problem and allow for a wider variety of plants as well.

Since your frogs are out of the tank now, Id maybe throw in some glue traps with some kind of bait stuck to them to catch the roaches. You might have to leave them in overnight. I dont know what you would do if the female already laid her eggs. Maybe heat up the substrate high enough to kill them before they hatch? Give a repudable exterminating company a call and see if they have any ideas. It might be an unusually interesting call for them Good luck man.
-David Taylor


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amyjk
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 15:28


ok, isn't there a saying that for every 1 roach you see, there's a hundred more you don't? Or something like that? Are you sure they are roaches? and not some sort of beetle. I know you don't usually use these as a food source for darts, but have you ever tried feeding Fred and Wilma wax worms, or meal worms? Maybe a few got away. Just a thought. Good luck, and I will keep Fred and Wilma in my thoughts today.


Amy :)
dana456
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 19:55


Okay just spoke to terminix and the gentleman i spoke to says....

NO HEAT- it actually speeds up the hatching process, which is normally fourteen days. Also there is no roach egg spray out there on the market. the best thing he says is to get rid of the substrate and boil the logs. The only other thing to do is regular roach spray. but according to the terminex guy then the plants all die.

just some info for you chad. hope itr helps.

dana


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Charlie
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 21:06


thats about it.


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spooble
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2003 23:42


Thanks for the comments all. Fred and Wilma seem to be doing fine in their temporary tank. I was worried all day today, but the temp and humidity is fine. I'm a little upset that there are no roaches in my home-made roach trap I only found one of the roaches in the tank so far today. I think it's the male... or if it was the female then she's already dropped her egg case. He was behind my cocos panel.. in between it and the glass. I tried to squash him back there, but the panels are pretty squishy themselves and cockroaches are tough! After I tried to squish him, he got out from behind there and now I don't see either one.
I guess my homemade trap just isn't going to work. I guess I'll have to get a commercial trap. Actually, though... since the female already produced one egg case (maybe more)... I believe I am too late. I should just tear it down and start over :/

Anyone know how big baby roaches are? I'd like to keep most of my plants, but don't want to put them in the new setup if there are tiny roaches hiding in them.

Man I hate roaches!!! They've just messed up everything

Chad

dana456
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# Posted: 1 May 2003 03:47


oh yea the guy also said the eggs hatch in about fourteen days. maybe you can take out substrate and rinse plants well.

dana


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Charlie
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# Posted: 1 May 2003 08:22


yeah your plants should probably be safe. Rinse them off really well.


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tpopovich
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# Posted: 1 May 2003 21:03


I'm no roach expert but I believe baby roaches are about the size of pinheads. I would think the darts would take care of them. BTY Nice setup !


TPopovich
CarrieBean
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# Posted: 3 May 2003 00:11


how'd they get in your tank??

Charlie
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# Posted: 3 May 2003 06:23


Roaches are very resoucefull. We keep a couple of our tackle boxes out on our dock by the canal (closed and latched mind you), and it never fails; everytime we open the box there is at least one enourmous roach in there. Have no idea why they go in there there isnt any live bait or anything they just go in. LOL


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spooble
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# Posted: 5 May 2003 03:14


CarrieBean,
I have an external water filter hooked up to my viv and I noticed one of the roaches sitting in the little space between where the input and output hoses go in. This area is blocked off so the frogs can't get back there, but I guess there is enough room for a roach to squeeze by. My home-made trap didn't work. I came to the conclusion that the roaches don't stay in the viv all the time when I saw that one near the hoses. So we went and bought some "Combat" roach baits and placed them under the stand my viv is on. We live in a condo, and I like to think we keep the place pretty clean, but I can't speak for my neighbors. It seems like once every month or two we see a roach about the size of a mouse somewhere in the house. Only once in the past 3 years did we start seeing roaches frequently, but we put out baits and it fixed the problem.

Anyway, Fred and Wilma are eating well and seem to be fine with their temporary housing. I think I'll just wait a few weeks and see if the big tank becomes overrun with young roaches or not. I really don't want to tear it down... but I will if I have to.

iamAJ
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# Posted: 10 May 2003 02:39


im thinking the same thing as audiotaylor. get some glue strips or glue paper or water ever they make and stick in all over in there and turn off the lights and see what ya caught in the morning.

that sucks. that is a really, really nice set up.

dana456
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# Posted: 10 May 2003 21:45


i think tpopovich is right.the babies might be a well deserved treat for your froggies. but the big ones gotta go. dana


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Charlie
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# Posted: 10 May 2003 22:38


yeah I dont think babies would last long with your frogs. I know you can buy feeder roaches, so why not let them indulge.


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spooble
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# Posted: 12 May 2003 16:29


Well.. it happend. Last night my wife got so fed up with the roaches in the viv that she went crazy. We hadn't had any luck with traps so she went medieval on their backsides! I was armed with a flashlight and a long stick. My wife's weapon... the vaccum cleaner with hose attachment! We pulled the top off the viv and I poked around with my stick to stir up the little buggers. When they ran out into the open... poof! My wife sucked them up. You should've seen the look on her face when she got the first one... pure hilarity We sucked up two of them and I quickly ran the vaccum bag out to the garbage.

We were so proud. And then, not 20 minutes later, I'm walking by the tank and what do I see??? Another roach! This one seems a little larger, and darker than the first two. But we decided to call it a night. At least we know how to get them out now I definately need to work on making the viv roach-proof. Any suggestions? The tubes from my external pump are the problem. Screen covers the rest of the open areas.. but inbetween those tubes is just enough space for a roach.

Chad

Heather
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# Posted: 14 May 2003 17:10


Do you remove those hoses at all? If not a nice glob of silicone couhld do the trick. Or heck even if you do have to move them, a tube of aquarium silicon is only $4 at Home Depot.

Maybe this will help.... it's your jar trap but with more info.
http://www.pesticide.org/cockroaches1.pdf


* Heather *

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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 08:46


Oh my god, do roaches suck!

King, I hear what you say about palmetto bugs. Oh, dear, do they freak me out! And they bite! You turn on the light and the mammoth things fly towards you.. Ack, they're gross. Have you seen some roach/beetle type bugs that live by the cypress and palmetto forests all over Florida and probably a lot of the south? They range from brown to black and have a hard shell and are even bigger than palmetto bugs. They come out after it rains and they will chill with their front legs shaped like pincers in front of their face. Yuck! They fly around lights and crash into things. Well, If you know what I mean do you know what they're called? Roaches suck. And, look what I found about them.. read the last one and prepare to die

Roaches




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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 09:07


Cockroaches are the only animal that can survive a nuclear winter.


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2003 10:20


...but not a snowy winter


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