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vwmom
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 03:49


I was trying to find pics of redleg online. The local petstore I buy crix from sometimes got a few Whites in.. I took them to see if I could bring them back to 'life'...
They started out very lazy.. Would not jump out of your hand.. would not climb. Well.. one passed on Sat.. another passed this morning. Both died as they sat there.. The first I popped in the freezer before it stopped twitching completly.. The latest one was completly motionless when I did. Tummies 'sunk' on both almost immediatly. Neither got to the point of total riga. But I don't know how long that takes.
I took pics, but need the battery to recharge on my camera before upload. I just can't think of anything similar in symptoms and with such a quick fate.
And yes.. These guys are FARRRRRRR away from all of 'my' healthy groups. I may consider burning the tank if the last one doesn't make it.. lol

TigerFrog
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 14:44


I'll take a look around and see if I can find anything for you. I am very sorry to hear that the frogs died. Did you have to pay for them or did the store give them to you? If you did have to pay for them I would take the frogs back and get a refund. I think I would consider burning the tank as well if I were you.


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spydergirl4594
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 14:45


It is more than likely a parasite from the way their stomach sounds. Just the stress from the shipping and the big move's probably finally took over. I have just gotten a shipment of 10 WTFs in yesterday from our local fish people(Best prices-i didnt order them) But you could tell they were all WC and their legs were an odd red-purpley-but not red leg. It Also look like they had something under the skin in those legs-like weird wormies or something. So now everyone is being treated befor eI put them up for sale-and luckily the vet will be in this week. Good luck with those.


-Sheryl
vwmom
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 15:47 · Edited by: vwmom


These guys look like they have sunburnt tummies.
I din't pay for them but did a temp. trade for some misc. items. I will put an amount of them and get the guy to put a number to them. We're getting a dog a month's end, so we'll go from there... maybe trade for puppy stuff.

vwmom
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 17:04 · Edited by: vwmom




OK.. What do you guys think?
I believe the white area is where two crickets decided to chow down.

star0dawn
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 19:20


Chow down from the inside or outside. That looks really bad, I hope you find out what happened.


Just my thoughts on it!
FrogLvr
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 20:08


The white area looks like some parasite or something ate him or got in his system. sorry for your loss

TigerFrog
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 20:08


I found this site, even though it's an acquatic frog it shows what it looks like in an advanced stage. There really aren't any pics out there but I'll keep looking for you. Anyhoo here's the site.... http://www.xenopus.com/disease.htm

Oh that's so hard to look at to say the least. Maybe the early stage of RL. Are there any left or did they all die?


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vwmom
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2005 21:46


The first one didnt have the white marks.. I'm positive thats from the crix, as they were under him in that area.
There is one left out of the trio, and he's not looking soo hot. He's been in the same spot for over a day now.. Still breathing, but that's it.
I'll keep an eye on him, but I've got no expectations. I'm soo glad they're not any of 'my' frogs that I've had for any amount of time. I'd be pretty darn bummed. I'm finding this just unfortunate.

AJfr0ggy
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# Posted: 6 Jan 2005 00:04


That does not look like red leg, just a sympton of streess or another disease or something

It Also look like they had something under the skin in those legs-like weird wormies or something. So now everyone is being treated befor eI put them up for sale-and luckily the vet will be in this week. Good luck with those.


I had a LTC one with nematodes in the legs, and probably elsewhere (since the legs are really the only transloucents bits of skin)
I kept it eith the worms for a while, but it was always thin, and stunted. I tried treating the frog, and after a few weeks of treatment, the worms 'left' the frog, leaving many holes, which must have got infected

The first I popped in the freezer before it stopped twitching completly
Please, can noone try this as a way of euthanasia, its probably one of the worst for amibians (and reptiles)
THey may remain concious untill the brain freezes, which would mean a long painful death.

It would be best for you to take out the crickets for now, they can be quie annoying, and you want to keep stress to an absolute minimum (as that weakens the immune system further) ALso, make sure its in a quiet room, and try to resist keeping looking st it. If it isnt critically underweight, dont bother feeding it yet. make sure it gets a bit of water too. Goofd luck with the one

AJfr0ggy

star0dawn
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# Posted: 6 Jan 2005 00:48 · Edited by: star0dawn


The first I popped in the freezer before it stopped twitching completly
Please, can noone try this as a way of euthanasia, its probably one of the worst for amibians (and reptiles)
THey may remain concious untill the brain freezes, which would mean a long painful death.

Good point, I thought that was weird but didn't know for sure.


Just my thoughts on it!
vwmom
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# Posted: 6 Jan 2005 01:39 · Edited by: vwmom


When it's 3am.. what else could I have done? He visablly wasn't even breathing anymore.
I've popped carrot in the tank as I ususally do. There are 2 small crix in there right now.

AJfr0ggy
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# Posted: 6 Jan 2005 08:53


It might have been better just to leave it.
One of my argus reeds went completly motionless, and completly unresponsive, i coulnt even see it breathing, but i could see the heart beating. I left i on a damp bit of tissue, and it remained like this for several hours, eventually dieing.
Ou may have been lucky, and it was allready dead, but i really dont want people to read this thinking its an easy humane way to deal with sick amphibains.

Ive only ever once considered euthenising an amphibian, and im really please i decided not to. This paramesotriton newt had a nasty infection, which made a hole in its head near its eye. I could see under the skull, and it showed no sign of slowing. as it hadnt really eaten much in the last 6 moths, it was also underweight. I tried various treatments, with no success. Eventually i decided it would be better to be left in peace. I left it nearly a month without even looking at it, expecting to find a dead newt, but finding a newt which had healed over the hole, and was eating after 3 months with no food at all. The newt is still around today, still with a little dent in its head, but alive and well.

I think you should take out the crickets, it sounds as if theres very little chance it would eat them at the moment. Even having a carrot in there, the crickets will still walk over the frog, and may nibble. Im sure you woulnt want chickens walking over you when youre ill

TigerFrog
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# Posted: 6 Jan 2005 14:08 · Edited by: TigerFrog


I don't find it humane to freeze an animal or leave it to die either. Just leaving the frog to die is a slow and painful death. Get some orajel and put some on your hand and let the frog sit in it. It will absorb and have a quick painless death. And don't just leave the frog to die, as this may have worked in your case AJFroggy it is not humane either and most likely will result in death, again slow and painful. I believe you got very lucky.

Take the frog to a vet and find out what's wrong with him. You can find one at http://www.arav.com or try a home treatment of tetracycline, I believe that's what used for treatment of RL. But I wouldn't try to home remedy a disease/sickness w/out knowing exactly what it was. Check and double check on the frog's conditions temps humidity etc and change the water and if you're not already, keep him on some damp papertowels. I would definitely take the crix out as well. You can offer them to him every night and be sure the lights are off so he feels more secure and check back in a few hours. If he hasn't eaten them take them out. But he can only get worse from the stress of having them in his enclosure.


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