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Sidra
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2012 00:16


I have had “Teiter” for almost two years now and have never had a problem.

(Yes, all of his cage requirements are adequate and he has no substrate and I change his water daily, I did have my dwarf lime tree in the habitat, but removed it after noticing the issue. I change up his diet frequently along with dusting once a week, but it consists mainly of crickets and my own colony of mealworms.)

I noticed a few days before November 22 that his right corneal surface and/or the anterior chamber were a little cloudy. (As he is my baby, I freaked and thought he was going to die) Over the next few days, the left joined the right. He did start to sit more on the cage floor a little but has resumed changing sleeping areas over the course of the day. The cloudiness is “transparent” and I can see his underlying iris and pupil, it is also a consistently over the entire eye.

I am in a Veterinary Technician program, so when school started the following week I took him in to our exotics teacher and my main teacher/ veterinarian. The doctor suggested a drop of saline in each eye 2-3 times a day, which I have kept up. The doctor also thought that he might have something irritating his mouth, but my little guy put up a good fight against having his mouth opened.

As of now, he is staying the normal WTF happy color (unless he hides under something) he is slightly more lethargic, and his nictitating membranes (which appear a little whiter than normal) remain up unless I aggravate him. In addition, if he does open them he “squints” and closes them as soon as possible. Teiter has remained the voracious little eater that he has always been, and he has not lost any weight, also he is not too fat.

*I have finals this week and getting pictures up would be difficult*

Any help would be vastly appreciated!!!
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!

k412
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2012 01:33


Keep him in a sterile "hospital tank" monitor everything closely.
Get him some Baytril since its broad spectrum, worth a shot especially if he's never had anti biotics before.


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Sidra
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2012 02:02


You think I should move him even if he is by himself? also regular Baytril injectable? or Baytril Otic? and from looking at other posts is the dose .3 of 1 cc per gal? to spray him with....
thanks!

Charlie
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2012 03:51


Yes, even if he is by himself, move him to the hospital tank.

A hospital quarantine tank, doesn't have to be glass. No worrying about having to run out and get a new one, a critter keeper, or rubbermaid-like bin with a snapping lid that has air holes added would be sufficient.

Do not add substrate, or vegetation to the new tank. Just line it with dampened paper towels, and add a clean non-porous hiding spot such as a plastic cup on its side.

The object of the "clean" tank is to remove your injured fella from the adverse biological contamination that may have infected his injury.

It could be anything causing the cloudiness, I don't want to guess at it.

I'm speculating here, but is it possibly that he scratched his eye on something in the tank while moving around/feeding? If the cornea is breached, it could lead to eye infection.

The could be other biological/viral causes for something like this, but I am very rusty, I haven't practiced applied frog medicine in half a decade.

I do not feel comfortable giving advice in regards to medication (other than never use anything that has an benzocaine (such as orajel), or ethyl alcohol (ethanol) in it, it can kill your frog.

Best of luck to ya, someone should be around with more in depth advice sooner or later.


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Sidra
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2012 03:52


Ok cool Thanks!

bschwinn
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2012 00:42


Sidra, I would run with Baytril at my suggested doses you posted as well as Terramycin opthalmic ointment. Bill

Sidra
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2012 02:51


My teacher/ veterinarian agreed about the Baytril, and how would you go about getting the ointment on a frog's eye? It is either "popped" out bulgy, covered by the membrane or closed tight... where exactly on the eye/eye area would i place it... Thank you for your time!

Charlie
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2012 05:15


You may need assistance to administer it. I would have someone gently& calmly restrain the frog and pull the eye as open as possible by putting a finger on the back of the eye, and ever so gently sliding the thumb to the side. While someone with clean hands applies the ointment. It may be possible to do solo if you are dexterous.


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Eric Walker
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2012 14:35


I have used Tobramycin for treating bacterial eye infections as well as terramycin.

Aren't mealworms really high in fat? if you have been feeding them quite often over a long period of time then Corneal lipidosis could be a possibility.

bschwinn
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2012 05:47


where exactly on the eye/eye area would i place it... Thank you for your time!

I w
ould apply it to the bulging eye , coating it evenly using your fingertip. Keep us posted, Bill

Charlie
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2012 07:48


I can't help but laugh at that Bill.


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2012 02:13


What am I missing Charlie?

Sidra
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2012 03:05


Thank you everybody! I have been studying like crazy for my finals (still have one to go but the worst was today and monday's was hard as well) I am going to try and get Teiter into my local vet and ask them if I can buy some Baytril as soon as my crazy week/end is over!!! I will keep you updated!

Charlie
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2012 05:30


You're missing the image I got in my head reading that.


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Sidra
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2012 05:45


OH and so my mom went to a pet store today and got "Turtle Eye Drops" that i think had been mentioned in other threads... should I give that a shot as well? Also mom brought home some waxworms, Teiter eagerly snatched one up only to spit it out. I thought this was super funny so i try to get him to eat it again... He grabbed it then immediately stuck his tongue back out and wiped it off, the worm was sitting next to him and then Teiter actually flicked it further away with his hand! its the first time he has ever refused any food... and when i tried to show my parents he had apparently learned... go figure... and just looked at me like ummmm NO... Gotta love the amusement they provide!

Charlie
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2012 21:17


The worm may have bit him. They are good food, but they have a hard shell on them that is harder to get down and digest. Try getting crickets, they're softer. Remember to dust them a couple times a week with calcium powder. You could also try a small pinkie mouse, or nightcrawlers to give em a quick easy nutrient boost.


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Charlie
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2012 21:19


If you get your crickets in advance, and feed them vegetables, they will be gut-loaded with extra nutrients for your frog.


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 14 Dec 2012 01:43


Charlie, waxworms have soft skin, but they do contain a lot of fat that is not great for frogs. I feed my crix carrots and high protein fish food.

Sidra
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# Posted: 14 Dec 2012 03:51


It was a first for both him and I as a treat... that he refused to eat! Tonight his eyes appear clearer than they have in quite a while!!!!!! Huzzah!

Charlie
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# Posted: 14 Dec 2012 09:38


you're right, I was thinking mealies. Good catch.


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