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Kcj
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# Posted: 3 May 2009 00:45


I believe my WTF has flesh eating bacteria he has developed sores on his leg and white spots on his body, what should i do?

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# Posted: 3 May 2009 03:14


Can you give us a little more info?
How long have you had this frog? How old is it?
How is the tank set up? What kind of Decor,substrate,heat humidity?
What are you feeding it?
Can you show pics of the tank and the frog?


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Kcj
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# Posted: 3 May 2009 20:50


I've had him for about a year, im not too sure how old he is. He was living in a glass tank with terrarium substrate that comes in the block you add water too, he had a water dish and a few plants and a vine. His tank was pretty wet. I would post a pic but we already took his tank apart. We now have him in the tank with just paper and a small hut to hide in and his water dish, the temp is about 29C and humidity is low. We have been putting liquid polysporine on him every couple of hours and letting him rest. Is there much more i can do?

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# Posted: 3 May 2009 21:44 · Edited by: Kcj


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I was just about to change his paper, when i noticed he was VERY light green, does that mean anything? If you see his back leg on the top right corner it is very swollen

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# Posted: 3 May 2009 21:57 · Edited by: Kcj


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I took the paper out becuase he was getting stuck to it, i rubbed the glass bottom of his tank with polysporin so he will get it all over the sore on his underside. He seems to be doing better he ate 2 Crickets and looks a little more livley but his color is getting more and more light green. (if you look in the right side under the plant you can see his pale bum)

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# Posted: 3 May 2009 23:08


I don't know if this will apply to your frog but I know Gray Tree Frogs(forgive me for using common names) can change color due to stress and enviorment so that may be whats happening to your frog, as for the rash I have no idea, you might want to see a vet.(Exotic vets do frogs right?)

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# Posted: 3 May 2009 23:10 · Edited by: cherisse


make sure that if you are using any sort of non prescription medications, that it is medication WITHOUT pain killer!


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Kcj
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# Posted: 4 May 2009 00:00 · Edited by: Kcj



Here is a pic of the smaller sore on his leg. He is also making a clicking sound. Is it cause hes just scared and hurt?

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# Posted: 4 May 2009 06:58


A clicking sound sounds like he is having trouble breathing.

It seems like some kind of infection.

Can you get him to a vet to get antibiotics?


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# Posted: 4 May 2009 07:38


agreed. needs a vet. there is not too much going on here for us to help you entirley other than offer some insight. the frogs needs to be seen asap imo. waiting or prolonging may have devastating results. good luck, kristy


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# Posted: 4 May 2009 13:18


Wow it might even be a spider bite. Looks like one pic that was on here a while back, but either way it needs treatment with antibiotics and maybe some neosporin without painkiller. In the mean time get some super clean water that's warm or room temp and let him bathe in it. Keep everything super clean in his tank and bowl.

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# Posted: 4 May 2009 17:26


See a vet. Flesh eating bacteria works fast! My frog had a form of it although it started out as discoloration and not wounds. Wounds came next!


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# Posted: 5 May 2009 01:47 · Edited by: Kcj


Okay, well i can't take him to the vet my mother says that it will be too expensive, but i have been putting lotsa polysporin on his wounds and he is eating and pooping now so thats a good sign (he wasnt do either before) His swelling seems to be going down a bit, and hes a lil more lively. I have been bathing him and changing his water whenever hes not in it.

cherisse
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# Posted: 5 May 2009 01:54 · Edited by: cherisse


dont over do it with the medication, that is a human grade medication you are using, not one for frogs, so it should be used sparingly..

even though he seems to be acting better, over medicating can still be a problem..


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# Posted: 5 May 2009 02:31


move him into a smaller container and put him on dry papertowels with just a small bowl of water. Raise the temps to about 85 -90

You can Try soaking him in 1 table spoon of Hydrogen Peroxcide to 3/4 Luke warm water. Soak in that for 10 minutes 2 times a day. this will allow him to heal. DO NOT MIST....you want to limit humidity to only the bowl and the 2 10 minute soakings.


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# Posted: 5 May 2009 02:38


Wow it might even be a spider bite. Looks like one pic that was on here a while back


well most venom from spiders do attack the flesh and bloodstream, i agree, it looks like a spider bite.


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# Posted: 5 May 2009 08:04


IT doesn't look much like a spider bite....more like the bacterial infection that hit my poputlation last year.

I brought some CB frogs into my population after 4 months quarentine in another room. With in six weeks of them being brought into my frog room...my other frogs started showing signs of a very similar infection.

To be clear...the CB frogs I bought we never in the same habitats as my other frogs as they were a different species. They were always fed and watered last each feeding....yet all but 2 tanks were infected...the two tanks that were not infected were those furthest from the new frogs..... The new frogs never have shown any type of illness...However all existing frogs had been disease free from 3-7 years prior. I believe the bacteria was either airborn or transferred by Fungus Gnats.

I believe that the frogs I brought in were carriers of a super bug. I lost half of my collection....never found a cure. 1 Frog that got the disease survived...A cuban Tree Frog Female. SHe was also one of the first to get it. She appears to be completely healed now....

Try the things I mentioned above..and if you can try to Contact Steve Busch...he had a similar experience with some frogs they bought.


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# Posted: 5 May 2009 15:33


Keep us updated.


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# Posted: 6 May 2009 00:45



Wow it might even be a spider bite.

It does kinda look like one.


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Frogbert
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# Posted: 6 May 2009 01:02


Ok...I give in....it looks like it could be a few things and a spider bite may be one of them ......but I do not believe that it is....Having had months of experience with a similar infection and watching Dakota's poor sick whites....I assure you....more is amiss....

it needs a vet - a good one - At the very least write DR. Kevin Wright or DR Frye as others have said in previous threads on illness issues. ...or an email to Steve Busch to find out what worked for them....Most of mine died before finding a cure...the one frog that lived is a beast...she may just be up there with roaches at the end of the world making plans for new Froggy cities for all her cuban comrads.


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# Posted: 6 May 2009 03:34


poor baby!


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Kcj
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# Posted: 8 May 2009 21:00


I have kept him very dry and hot and his wounds are getting smaller and seem to be healing. I have been feeding him mealworms and a few butterworms. He is seeming alot more active and even jumping on his prey. I think he might just pull through this.

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# Posted: 8 May 2009 23:37


Try not to keep him too dry or he will dry up. Try to keep him a little moist.


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Kcj
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# Posted: 9 May 2009 00:06


He has a bath to go in if he feels too dry

Dakhota
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# Posted: 9 May 2009 06:04


Looks like exactly what happened with mine. This seems to be happening with alot of white's lately.

Infact, that wound looks identical to what I went through.

http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread &topic=19424&forum=4&page=0

If you check out the pictures throughout . . .my guy had the same wound thing happen to him.


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# Posted: 9 May 2009 09:28


any updated photos. I also want to add i am almost pos. this isnt chytrid. People seem to jump to it, but there are resistant bacteria everywhere. the frog could have been stressed, maybe a lot of bacteria in the viv etc. whatever caused it is now what i would think is a bacterial infection. contacting one of the vets frogbert(JAN) suggested would be wise to do asap. dr. frye does not charge for email consults and you may get better results that way. Dr.wright is a great amphibian vet but you have to establish a client patient relationship which will be a little money there and AZ does not allow medications dispensed across state lines. Dr. frye has some advantages by emailing you the treatment plan and mailing meds needed etc. kristy


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Kcj
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# Posted: 12 May 2009 03:55


I've been trying to get pics of his leg but he wont cooperate, the swelling is going way down and his wounds are getting smaller and drying out a bit.

Frogbert
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# Posted: 18 May 2009 22:29


UPdate Please?!?


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# Posted: 19 May 2009 00:14


I agree with Frogbert, Let's hear some good news the frog recovered fully and is back to normal!

I hear a lot of sick frog stories and have been through quite a few myself at the beginning of my keeping and most have ended terminally. Let's hear a positive one for a change

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# Posted: 19 May 2009 12:02


I know I am posting late in the game, but for those who may be dealing with related issues, Amphibian Emergency Medicine and Care is an invaluable resource if for some reason veterinary intervention is not possible. While I have not dealt with the specific issue listed here, I did use the advice to deal with open sores on two newts, early redleg in an african clawed frog, and intestinal parasites in a pacman frog. Many of the treatments can be found OTC with a little research, though you do need at least a fundamental knowledge of dosage calculations.


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