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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 18:36 · Edited by: Derek Benson


Hey,

One of the waxys that I recently got that was in shipping way to long has developed patches on his skin especially around his mouth and butt and also a spot on his back. I noticed he had a little patch on his mouth saturday when I went to my Dad's and returned today to find him like this. The pattches look kind of brown or red. One has like a light patch in another red/brown patch on his back. It doesn't look too good and I'm going to put him into quarintine. He was the better looking of the waxys and looked fat and healthy, I guess looks can be decieving.


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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 18:40


oh! i'm new at this i got my first ever tads yestrday, but, ur frog my have something called red leg where you get red patches on he legs and back or belly i'm actually not sure if it's on the back but anyway go to:
http://www.froggie.info/redleg/index.htm it tells u all about red leg , hope i helped and hope ur frog gets better very very soon!!!


-Natz : )
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 18:41


I was thinking red leg or fungal infection.


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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 18:46


ok glad to have helped



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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 22:23


I dont think red leg shows up around their mouth though...?....Also red leg will look like ulcers, or broken blood vessels. I'm going to place my bet on fungal infection. Let us know what your doing for him, and how is progresses.


Amy :)
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 22:34


It's mouth rot, or atleast I think it is. I looked on a few sites and it says having trouble closing mouth and he smacks his mouth. I am treating with this mercurachrome substitut (without mercury) and quick cure for fish with ick (contains malachite green). He has gotten so much worse than I could have imagined.


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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 23:14


I know this is only and idea, but try spraying him loads with water.

Dink one of my greens gets brown patches when he drys out.

just an idea, but it does sound like something more serious.

all my best wishes to him

Cate


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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 23:24


I wish I could do more, but he's a waxy misting him would probably be fatal if overdosed.


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# Posted: 22 Jun 2003 23:52


Wow.. I'm sorry about your frog. I hope it turns out ok.


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 00:04


sounds like mouth rot with a fungal infection to me.

Fungal Infections
Because of their moist environments, amphibians commonly acquire fungal infections, usually as a secondary infection following an injury or stress.

Symptoms
Inflammation or reddening of a small patch of skin, white or yellow furry growths on skin (particularly in the area of a previous injury); skin sores, lesions, or other abnormally colored skin.

Treatment
In the early stages, a fungal infection can be treated with a topical antiseptic, such as diluted hydrogen peroxide (75% strength for adults, 50% for juvinile or small) or fungicides. Apply the treatment daily until cleared, and address the cause of this secondary infection. Another treatment often used is one 5-minute dip in a 2% solution of malachite green. If there is no improvement, the dip may be repeated up to three times (once a day), but arrangements should be made to have a vet attend to the animal after that.


Mouth Rot
Mouth rot is caused by a bacterial infection of either Flexibacter coulmnaris, Aeromonas hydrophilia or Pseudomonas vectors.

Symptoms
Lack of appetite, difficulty eating, pockets of pus-like material in mouth area, trouble keeping mouth closed, deformity or erosion of the skin on or surrounding the mouth or jaw. Infection may also spread to other parts of the body, particularly where an open sore may be present.

Treatment
First, cleanse the affected area with povodine-iodine also known as betadine. Mix a bath solution of finrot medication used for fish by mixing 5 drops to one pint of water. Soak the animal twice daily for 5 minutes at a time. Any material that comes loose during treatment should be gently removed and discarded before the animal accidentally ingested the infected material. Apply a topical antibiotic after the soak. If the infection becomes severe, see a vet for antibiotic injections. A culture may have to be done to determine the exact bacteria causing the infection and the proper medication for it, usually baytril or gentamicin.

You need to treat fungal infections before you can effectively treat mouthrot. With mouthrot you will see sections of the mouth/face looking like craters in more serious cases.


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 00:10


Yea, I looked on your site Wes. Well, he's all sprawled out on the floor, let me go check on him again.........


........he's dead.......


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 00:13


yep im thinking fungal infection, fungal infections begin where the animal has a sore or abrasion and the humidity is to high. they can also begin after a period of stress.

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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 00:17


Well, it could have had an abrasion from rubbing the sides of the deli cup in shipping. The humidity could have been too high for them in a 32 oz. deli cup with moss for 3 days. Shipping for 3 days is stress...


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 00:39


yep, thats probably it.

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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 00:57


RIP Houdini


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 03:58


Man that sux, good luck with your other waxies...

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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 04:37 · Edited by: stupidscreename7


i'm really sorry about your frog.

"misting him would probably be fatal if overdosed."... what does that mean? i've never heard that before and am curious. even though it's a different species, i had a cuban that would get really agitated if he got hit while i was misting and i'm wondering if i was hurting him somehow...


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 04:52


the species hes talking about like it drier. my white's doesnt like being hit with the mister either, but hes just fine. just dont directly spray him, do the rest of the tank and the mist that floats up should be sufficient.


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 05:11


Awww Derek I'm so sorry That really sucks big time. ::hugs::


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 06:15


sorry to hear that derek,
i know you would have done the most you could to keep that frog alive.

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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 06:30


i realize waxys like it dry, i just didn't know any species could die from getting too wet. would death be caused by the stress of being too wet or can being can being oversaturated itself actually physically harm some species? i'm assuming this is not the case with cubans as they are native to areas with wet/very humid conditions, but what about other species like the waxys?


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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 13:34


aww that's soooo sad...


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 23 Jun 2003 14:35


Waxys are from an area in SOuth America called the Gran Chaco. In the Gran Chaco, it is very hot with hot winds. They bask all day in bushes. There is a rainy season when they breed, but if they are kept too moist, they obviously die like mine did, because it may have been too moist in shipping. Your Cuban is a whole different species in a whole different sub family. You will not kill it with water. Waxys put on a protective coating in the morning that amkes like a cocoon around their body to prevent water loss. They poop and pee dry substances to prevent further water loss. They are an awesome species, but are cared for mucgh like a lizard than a frog.


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# Posted: 24 Jun 2003 03:26


I'm sorry about your waxy, Derek. That really is terrible because sickness is sometimes just inevitable.

You won't kill a Cuban by misting it, though. They even tolerate salt water, which is nuts (but I wouldn't try it at home). Mine seems to always be half-dipped in the water and Cuba is very hot and humid.

Anyway, is the Gran Chaco in Argentina? I don't know why I think it is--I either heard it somewhere, or it just sounds like it's Argentinian, which it does. Well, I'm sorry about your pet.


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# Posted: 24 Jun 2003 04:01


Yes, Argentina, Paraguay, etc.
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# Posted: 24 Jun 2003 04:08


It sounds like somewhere they raise cows (mmm.. black angus) in, lol.


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# Posted: 24 Jun 2003 20:15


Well, it's grasslands kinda...


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# Posted: 25 Jun 2003 01:23


And just what do cows eat?

I wanna go to el Gran Chaco


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# Posted: 25 Jun 2003 02:27


So do I, but not for cows...


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# Posted: 25 Jun 2003 23:58


Derek, I have some recent imorts that show the symptoms you have described. I have not lost any of them and they are feeding well. I AM misting mine occasionaly. I have too many frogs and to many plants for them to hide in to keep good track of what is going on, but they are all healthy. Let me know if you find anything out about this. (stress ? ) Hank


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