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InZanadee
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 02:27


EEEEEK! Sorry to bug you all, but one of my tads just got his/her front legs...NOW WHAT DO I DO? I know there were some suggestions on another post mentioning wet paper towels...but I can't find them anywhere! Help help!
I'm freaking out and I don't want the little guy to drown!
I swear, a few hours ago, they were not there...now they are~!
I'm totally panic stricken!
Sandee
the not-so-witty-when-she's-freaking-out woman


I don't suffer from mental illness, I enjoy every minute of it!
Devin Edmonds
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 02:47


Haha, yeah they can deffinetly turn into frogs quickly. I'm sorry if you mentioned this before and I just missed it but what species of frog are they? Generally when this happens the water level is reduced and an easily accessible land area is created with either rocks, floating aquatic plants or sloping gravel. Don't worry too much, just make sure that your froglets can get to the surface very easily to breath. Some species of frogs and toads can easily drown at this stage too and need to be removed to a new simple rearing container with a small shallow dish of water. Hope this helps out,

Devin
www.amphibiancare.com

InZanadee
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 03:02


Devin,
These are some of Nates RETF tads that I've been raising. AHHHH! I'm so afraid it won't survive! I feel like the fathers must in the waiting room while the wife delivers their baby...useless and confused...totally devoid of any helpful knowledge, pacing and panicking!
Nate, if you read this...everything is under control. No worries, mate.
Sandee
aaaaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhh~!


I don't suffer from mental illness, I enjoy every minute of it!
Heather
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 03:42


Sandee~
first off CONGRATS!!!

Second... I just read this evening on a site that they can remain in the water for 12-24 hours. Just keep an eye out for the little bugger, when you see it snatch 'em up and move it to a separate tank with paper towls and enough water to just cover the bottom of the tank along with some potho clippings or someinthing leafy so it can have a place to hide and sleep. Once you get it out of the water and set up in another tank it won't move for a while. It will remain in one spot more than likely while it's tail is absorbing.

Keep us posted! If you can, check in the tank in the middle of the night (around 3 or 4 am) and see if it makes an appearance.

Good luck! I'm jealous... still watching and waiting for mine to pop out those front legs. (my largest 4 seem to be having a race to see who will be the first to morph)


* Heather *

1.1.0 Dendrobate Azureus
waldo
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 03:47


what I did was take a 10 gallon tank, raise one side about 2 inches,add water and put down a damp paper towel on the dry side of the tank.It makes it easy to escape the water and you can watch them eat easier.

cheshireycat
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 03:47


Awww, there are tads and froglets everywhere

Good luck with them and congratulations


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n74gordon
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 03:58


Sandee: great to hear!

Heather:
1) beware of the unicorn, and
2) great research ... i've been slacking

Waldo: great idea!


nate
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~ngordon


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Shrek
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 06:49


Once they get their back legs, bumps will start to appear where their arms will be. Once one arm comes out the second one came come out in a matter of hours.

Once the second arm is out, immediately take him out of the water and onto wet paper towel in a rearing tank.

The second arm is the crucial one because of the spiracle.

Tadpoles have an opening called a spiracle, it is what they use to breathe underwater with.

The second arm actually pushes itself out through the spiracle, therefore closing it up. This is when the morph will die quickly if not taken out of the water because it now breathes though it's mouth and will drown if left in the water.

Also don't take it for granted that they will get themselves out of the water coz there are heaps of branches etc in your tank. In the wild they would get themselves to the shallow bit and out of the water.

In a square glass tank, they get disorientated and rather than finding a branch to get out on, they may try to keep swimming and the get stuck in the corners of the tank, exhaust themselves and die.

I'ts very hard to do, take them out of the water totally and plonk them onto paper towel. You have wathced them in the water for so long but it will be fine.

This is the best advice I can give you and I learnt this advice the hard way but now I understand what happens I have had no more deaths only happy little morphs.

Heather
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 07:14


This is my second "night shift" with my taddies. It's getting so close so I am sleeping on the couch and getting up through out the night to look in on them. I have three now that have started to turn a beautiful green, eyes are shifting, head and body shape changing by the hour, back legs rubbing together and you can see the front legs moving under the skin. It's kinda funny to watch them. They keep trying to puch themselves off the rock or bottom of the tank with those trapped front legs... it's like watching someone in a straight jacket try and get back up after being pushed to the ground LOL


* Heather *

1.1.0 Dendrobate Azureus
cheshireycat
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 08:08


But, wait, does that only apply to RETF tads? Because one of mine, I think it's a leopard frog tad, had it's arms come out two days ago, but it's still underwater breathing water. I took it out of water and didn't breathe. At first, I didn't know what it was doing, but I sat down and watched it and it's breathing water like the other tads. And it's mouth is half between a tads and frogs. It's weird.


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InZanadee
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 20:24


Well, my panic is over! I took the little darling out, plonked him/her onto a wet paper towel in the rearing tank, and a few seconds later it crawled up the side and just hung out there for a while. I was totally stunned! I keep misting it to make sure it doesn't dry up on me, and my humidity is between 75-80. Seems to be doing just peachy! The tail is already getting a lot smaller and he/she is turning the most lovely shade of green. Awwww...love at first sight...all over again!
I have two more that I think will be joining him/her this evening, too!!! Just one straggler...I think I shall go crazy just checking on them every ten minutes or so! I wanna see those little limbs appear this time!
Sandee
Mommy of a new Froglet...
(AND monkey pox free in 2003)


I don't suffer from mental illness, I enjoy every minute of it!
Heather
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 20:32


I'm so jealous Sandee!!! I have 4 that are looking like they are about to burst but no front legs yet I'm growing more and more anxious by the second! It's like that whole :watched pot never boils" thing. I keep checking and they keep taunting!

Congrats on your new baby red eye!!!


* Heather *

1.1.0 Dendrobate Azureus
InZanadee
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2003 21:04


Lol, Heather, I know what ya mean...I keep checking on the other two about every ten minutes, I swear! I feel like I'm pacing the waiting room in the maternity ward! AAAAHHHH!
MADNESS!
But it's so cool and exciting...it's more exciting than my own pregnancy right now...cause I hate being pregnant sick, if ya know what I mean...any distraction is worth while.
Sandee
going wacky waiting on my babies
(and still monkey pox free in 2003)


I don't suffer from mental illness, I enjoy every minute of it!
Shrek
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2003 00:35


When you first take them out and place them on the towel, they may make a kind of popping sound and you see them take short but big gulps os air. They get used to it though.

I sat with mine through the night, my first one because I didn't know what to expect.

It's very hard to take them out of the water and onto dry land (wet paper towel). I was sure it was going to die, but it doesn't.
Once I learnt about the spiracle, it all made sense to me.

I felt mortified about the one I left in the water, as know I know why it died but we can only learn from these things.

If you feel really bad about sitting him on the paper towel, do wht I did with the first one and get a dropper and drop water on him for a while.

Their tails do disappear fast.

Shrek
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2003 00:37


Well done Sandee, you did it. Here's to happy and healthy froglets.

Cheshycat - I'm pretty sure this applies to all tads because I have raised two species this way and Sandee has just done the same with another species.

cheshireycat
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2003 18:26


Well, two of my ex-tads are now froglets, in their little rearing tanks. One is sure to breathe today.

Here's what I've been doing. I take it out of the water every few hours and wait a few minutes and see if it breathes air. If it's been five or so, and no breathing takes place, I put it back. If so, I give it the choice of choosing water or land. They eventually picked land. It was hilarious when my leo tad did it, because he didn't want to come out, and suddenly, he just jumps onto land and as far from the waters edge as it could. My other tad, an unknown treefrog (looks like it could be a pinewoods), was funny to watch because it took her such a long time to get the hang of regular breathing after she got out of the water. And my leos tail was almost gone by the time it left water. The one today hasn't used it up quite so far, yet.


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Heather
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2003 19:05


My leo's were the same way! It was like once they were out of the water they wanted nothing to do with it. they spent a couple days burred in the BAB under a tree tump decor I had in their tank. I started to really worry because I didn't see any of them for 3 days. Then the BAB started showing up in the water side.


* Heather *

1.1.0 Dendrobate Azureus
cheshireycat
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2003 23:37


Were (or are, I'm not sure) your leos Northern or Southern? I can't tell with mine yet, I just know to tell the difference in that if it has a gold dot in the middle of the tympanum, it should be a Southern.

It's funny. My biggest is metamorphing last. My smallest did first. But the middle one--this will be the third day he has his front legs--and he doesn't want to breathe air. If he doesn't do it tonight, I'm going to leave him out of the water for ten minutes and try to force him like everyone said I should. That way I can make sure he'll never drown or anything.


- Evolution is a theory, not just a fact. -
Heather
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2003 23:51


I'm not sure if mine were Northern of Southern... all I know it that 2 of them were pretty bumpy in texture and one was very smooth and silky with more green coloring.

That's funny, it was the smallest of my RE tads that was to morph, then my biggest... now I have two more showing little toes and they are the same size. The last 4 are catching up fast!!!


* Heather *

1.1.0 Dendrobate Azureus
cheshireycat
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2003 23:55


I know that the green can vary in individuals within any population. I don't know about the bumpiness, though. Maybe the smooth one was special

Well, that's the way for the leos, but for the tree frog tads I have, so far, it seems to be the normal way--biggest to smallest.


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