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# Posted: 12 Oct 2004 01:22


well i once mixed my brother with a grizzly bear the seemed to have mated a couple times beat that suckas o yah the grizzly was a male.
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2004 01:30


Anonymous
Pleas refrane from making nonsense posts. Thank you



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# Posted: 12 Oct 2004 01:55


I'm glad you handled that one the way you did Heather. I needed a good chuckle.


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# Posted: 12 Oct 2004 04:31


I'm sorry,...chuckle... but that was kinda funny.


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# Posted: 18 Oct 2004 03:41


OK, I am new to this but I have read this entire posting from the beginning, yes every entry, the horrible pet store conditions, the bed-a-beast diversion, the nice summary at the top of page 7 by lostriver (Lee), and the totally unnecessary(sp?) postings by annonymous (hey the abreviation for that is anny. which is real close to ANNOY, maybe that explains it?).

I have used this post to convince my wife that "Mixing is forbidden!" and that "Frogs like to be alone!"

So, now it is off to do the research for our first froggy habitat, probably WTF.

But, there always is one isn't there?
My wife wants to know about the problems with turtles and frogs, and no one has addressed it.

Will someone please comment?
Thank you, what an incredible wealth of knowledge I have gained!!


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# Posted: 18 Oct 2004 04:08 · Edited by: Heather


tubbeed
I'll see if I can find posts related to turtle and frog mixing, I know there are a couple mixed in with other questions. But I can tell you now that it isn't a good idea either. Turtles will nip at a soaking frog.. plus turtles produce a lot of waste that can be harmful to that same soaking frog. So it isn't recommended. Basically... tell your wife that the mixing of any species outside of humans with cats and dogs.... is never a good idea. There is always some risk involved that simply isn't worth it. So every species in it's own enclosure to ensure happy, healthy critters.

Hope that helps

*EDIT*
Here are a few links to posts related to turtles and frogs that I found
(You can find them by using the search feature and just type in "turtles"

http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread&forum=3&topic=4662& page=0
http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread&forum=4&topic=4552& page=0
http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread&forum=3&topic=4039& page=0


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# Posted: 18 Oct 2004 04:49


Thanks Heather,

I feel really silly that I didn't do the search before I asked.

Of course, after a couple hours of reading this 9 page thread I was a bit "TIRED" as Evol reminds us of with every posting.

The threads you listed helped alot!!


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# Posted: 18 Oct 2004 05:08


tubbeed
AWESOME!!! Always happy to help


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# Posted: 18 Oct 2004 06:13


Why not think of mixing in this way-- The animal you are keeping is a captive and it is kept by you for your own enjoyment and interest, not for it's own welfare or concerns. Why not keep each separately, and enjoy each as individual species before you go on to play an even more God role and mix them up. Just know all you can about each before you thrust them together for show and tell.

I'd really hate to be captured by a space alien and put in display cage along with a grizzly bear, just because we happen to inhabit the same territory where we were both collected.


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# Posted: 20 Oct 2004 01:03


I'd never mix a turtle and a frog. Even the complete herbivores are known to kill lizards for some reason. Don't see why they might not eat a frog if it smelled like food.

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# Posted: 11 Nov 2004 21:40 · Edited by: blk_n_blu_dream


I was watchign this show this morning that i sually watch befor ei leave for work called "Petsburgh,USA" on Animal PLanet.

I HATE that show, they once said that iguanas need animal protein when young, and that was like last year... which is horribly bad for them... i NEVER listen to that show... it always just cheeses me off!
Actually it's very dangerous to give them meat, it causes kidney failure among other problems. In the past it was thought that they should have protein when young, but that is a huge no-no now-a-days.
http://www.anapsid.org/iguana/animalprotein.html
and
http://www.anapsid.org/adambritton.html


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# Posted: 11 Nov 2004 21:49 · Edited by: blk_n_blu_dream


You know, the "Mixing Species" question would sound way different if a few substitutions were made...

Can I put a Blank Frog with a Whatsit Frog?(worse yet, with a Thingy Larger Lizard?)

Can I put an African Lion with a Mountain Lion? (worse yet, with a Tabby House Cat?)




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# Posted: 11 Nov 2004 22:59


my crayfish has lived with my toads for 3 years. there hasn't been a problem

That's all fine and everything... at least so far. I once had a painted turtle with a common musk turtle, i raised them from eggs, so they have been together their whole life, then one day the painted turtle killed the musk, which was even larger than the painted. That was at their 5 year mark, so just cause they HAVEN'T doesnt mean they wont!

Lessons learned, try to make sure it isnt from your OWN mistakes!


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# Posted: 19 Nov 2004 22:41


GTF w/ WTF ?


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# Posted: 19 Nov 2004 22:58


are you asking Green Tree Frog, with Whites Tree Frog, which of course is no way, or are you asking what GTF with WTF meant? which I just answered.


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Anonymous


# Posted: 20 Nov 2004 13:09


i wished to have a wonder tank with lizards and frogs and toads but i will just have to exept that they cant live together can leopard and wood frogs live together
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2004 15:32


I don't think that they really could unless you had a miracuasly large tank. When I go around the woods the wood frogs tend to be farther in land away from the water and the leopard frogs tend to be right at the water bank.


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# Posted: 20 Nov 2004 15:34


Anonymous Leo's could live with green frogs... but yo'd need a prety large enclsure because they are jumpy and need room to fullfill the need to leap and bound.

In the end it's best to just have one species per tank unless you have A OT of knowlegde of each species and have the space for a Zoo size exibit.


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# Posted: 20 Nov 2004 22:21


Leo's could live with green frogs... ...until the green frog eats the leopard frog/s anyways.

A big green frog will also eat a smaller green frog.


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Anonymous


# Posted: 21 Nov 2004 12:38 · Edited by: Moderator


a 3ft tank big enough for wood and leopard frogs
what frogs can live together
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# Posted: 22 Nov 2004 03:30


Anonymous in captivity it is not advisable to mix species. You would have to provide a Zoo sides exibit and do A LOT of research on each species in the way of captive care. But even then you risk the chance of problems-o-plenty.

So just stick with one species and provide the best of care to that one. No one here is going to tell you what frogs can be mixed because in the long run... none of them can.


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sonsai


# Posted: 22 Nov 2004 03:46


I can't speak for wood frogs, as I don't keep them and also haven't researched them per say. (there has been threads here about would frogs though, so research the archives)

The three foot tank would be good for one or two (maybe three would be pushing it) leopard frogs.
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# Posted: 22 Nov 2004 03:48


oops! that was I that posted as sonsai. Sorry.


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# Posted: 23 Nov 2004 03:24


In other words, if you have to ask the question about what species to mix, don't do it.


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# Posted: 3 Dec 2004 17:16


You might jump on me for saying this, but I've got barking TFs in with WTF and they're doing awesome! I have no heat lamp on them, just a UV, and at night a Night Glo bulb so the temp doesn't drop too much. A 10Gallon tank is WAY too small, but the whites and barking TF don't need a basking lamp. As long as the ambient temp is in the 20s they're happy frogs. So yeah he might have had them way too cramped, but the set-up sounds about right.

Anonymous


# Posted: 4 Dec 2004 08:25


ok i under stand now that mixing is not a good idea
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# Posted: 4 Dec 2004 21:12


Different environments, different humidity levels, different sizes--define "awesome."


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Anonymous


# Posted: 20 Dec 2004 04:24


The animals that you owned were the ones that weren't lucky enough to be born in nature. Their life is owned by you, they can't stop you from doing anything and depend on you to provide the proper decisions. This is why they deserve the oppertunity to be given the best life possible. Mixing species is just keeping the animal like a slave rather then a pet and thinking of your own entertainment over it's quality of life. That is my view on mixing species.
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2004 06:13


Well I kind of view mixing frogs like mixing any other animal. You might be able to mix some species of say deer type creatures from different parts of the world. You might be able to mix certain individuals with each other. You might only run into problems if a certain animal gets real hungry or goes into breeding node.

Like Lee said, if you have to ask you probably don't have enough knowledge yet to mix.

Personally I think the more animals in a enclosure the harder it is to check on them as well as keep things clean. If I had the money and space I'd probably even split up some of the same species I own part of the year at least.

Then there's the whole disease parasite thing. I recently spent $240 on vet bills for my female tortoises. Mixing even the same species after quarentine is risky sometimes. Mixing different species can carry a bigger risk sometimes.

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# Posted: 29 Dec 2004 06:29


Hi, we're new here. We have a bullfrog tadpole sharing a 5-gal aquarium with a very large white mystery snail, and a number of feeder guppies. We plan to release the bullfrog in the wild when mature. We also have 2 young White's tree frogs in a 10-gal terrarium, whose only tankmates are the crickets they eat. Then we have 4 FBs in a 10-gal aqua-terrarium with a waterfall filter, a live philodendron plant, and feeder guppies that frequently reproduce. The guppies are very hardy and are unaffected by the toxins. The fish and frogs together make a very nice pond-like setting. They have all been together for 6 months. Any thoughts?

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