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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 13 Aug 2004 23:13


Hey Guys,

Today I got a package of amphibians from Heather at Blue Grass Exotics. Sh eis moving and didn't want to take her current retail amhpbian sotck with her, because she would have to let someone care for thme for about a week before she could put them in her new house, so I offered to take them off of her hands. The groups consists of:

1.1.0 Big-Eyed Tree Frogs (Leptopelis flavomaculatus
0.0.1 Blue-Toed Tree Frog (Hyla hellprini)
0.0.4 Red Banded Crevice Creepers ( Phrynomerus bifasciatus)
2.0.3 Foam Nest Tree Frogs (Chiromantis xerampelina)
0.0.1 CB Southern Tomato Frog (Dyscophus guineti)
0.0.1 CB Fire Salamander (Salamandra salamandra)

The foam nests are already calling, the tomato, fire sally, and creepers have already eaten. They are very cool frogs. Next, I have 5.0 painted mantellas coming, but too hot to ship.


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# Posted: 14 Aug 2004 04:36


wow derek,im very jealous. my reptile room is just about finished,so i can start with the new additions soon enough.


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Brian
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# Posted: 14 Aug 2004 05:16


Wow. Pictures please.

I mean if you want . . .

Ziff
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# Posted: 14 Aug 2004 06:44


I'd have to say the crevice creeper is probably the prettiest animal of the bunch. I'd personally like to see a picture of these critters because the hyla hellprini didn't register on the Google search engine.


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mve
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# Posted: 14 Aug 2004 07:55


i have 2 fire sals. how do you keep the cage cool enough? I have mine in a 40 gallon long. it is hard keeping mine below 70 f.


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Devin Edmonds
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# Posted: 14 Aug 2004 20:39


Derek - Very nice. Enjoy the new frogs. We had some of the blue-toeds at the pet store I work at, very cool Hylids. They seem to be able to change their body colors from a bland grayish yellow to a nice bright green. I also noticed that one of ours seemed to loose the blue color in its toes after a month, kind of strange, maybe it was related to diet or enviornmental conditions.

mve - I simply keep my fire salamander in the basement. I don't know if you have a basement, but if you do take advantage of it.

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mve
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# Posted: 15 Aug 2004 01:45


no, not many basements in socal. Right now I have a small bag of ice and the a/c on. the temp is just at 71. should be fine.wish I had a basement. that would be nice. my brother has a nice basement and keeps all his herps their. nice breeding groups of basilisks.sp?


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Brian
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# Posted: 15 Aug 2004 02:28


What's the upper limit temps for Fire Salamanders?

Derek Benson
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# Posted: 15 Aug 2004 04:00


Thanks for the compliments, pictures soon. They are all awesome frogs.

Mark, I keep all of my frogs in my bed room, which is in my basement, and the salamander is right by the A/C vent.

Devin, I noticed mine has no blue on it's toes either, I'm going to ask the dart frog guys what they use to bring out blues and gut load crickets and see if it helps.

On a side note, here's a picture of the first stage of my plywood rackm it still needs to be sanded, need to caulk all joins, coat with fibergalss resin gel coat, then add backgrounds, soil, wood, plants, etc.






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mve
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# Posted: 15 Aug 2004 22:49


nice setup. love the tall one. whats going in the bottom?


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 02:38


More information: The entire rack is about 6'6" tall x 4' long x 2' deep. The tall tank is 120 gallons, the two smaller ones are 52 gallnos, and the bottom is 90 gallons. I have a lip all the way around the fornt of each tnak to set glass for the fornt opening system. After it's coated with fiberglass resin, I'm putting a background on, by putting a lay of great stuff foam on with wood pieces in various places, then a layer of silicone over the great stuff and then bed-a-beast pushed into the silicone.

Mark, my russian tortoise is going in the bottom tank, the floor space is 4' x 2', same as he is in now, but this is much better as it is saving space. Waxys are going in large tank, and then my eyelash frogs and big-eyed tree frogs (Leptopelis flavomaculatus) are going in the 52 gallons.


Derek Benson - Phyllomedusa/Hyperolius Enthusiast
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 03:44 · Edited by: Whitney


Awesome work, Mr. Benson. It looks amazing, not to mention all of the space it saves you, which I'm sure all of us are in need of. Great job.
I am curious however, about one thing. What on earth are you going to do with your animals when you go to college? I found out very quickly that most Detroit and Ann Arbor landlords are not too understanding when it comes to herps, and the few that were would not allow more than two tanks and would not even consider a large unit like yours. The only solution for me was to draw up some contracts and house them in the school science labs were I could supervise their care. It's wasnt ideal, but it was all I could manage. What arrangments are you thinking of? It would be a shame for you to be forced to trim down such a nice collection.


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 03:50


Good question. Still have 3 more years of high school to think about it. Problem is, I need about 2 more racks to house the rest of my collection. If I did get an apartment, I would HAVE to be able to house my frogs there. Thanks for compliments.


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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 04:33


Very nice Derek, or should I say Mr, Benson?!
Looking forward on pictures of your new additions (frogs) as well as updates on the racks.
Correspondence college.


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mve
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 07:12


looks cool. do you have a natural set up for your russian, or just a common one? if natural, what type of plants are hardy for the tortise?


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 14:15


Thanks Lynn, I'll hve pics of frogs shortly and pics of progress as it moves along.

Mark, right now, it's in the simple type, substrate, hide box, etc. but I would like a natural tnak, so that it's not an eye sore compared to frog tnak. I was thinking some type of shrub, because I know they eat plants and any alrge leafed one, will be eaten rather quickly.


Derek Benson - Phyllomedusa/Hyperolius Enthusiast
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 19:58


On a side note: did anyone of you know Salamandra Salamandra is an endangered species. It is protected all across Europe, except for Russia where it is rapidly disappearing because of habitat destruction.

erik
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 20:59


Derek-
Nice rack. JK, but seriously, it is a nice rack. You gotta put up pics of your new frogs, especially the hellprini. Oh, by the way, I got some news that would excite you. I know a guy who told me he could get me some T. Corticale. He also breeds reeds (H. Argus I think), and recently he breed some xanthic morphs. Peace

Anonymous


# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 22:34


The trick is how you phrase stuff. Like can I keep a few frogs. They live in tanks. (Good to say after they agree to fish.)

A "few" is anywhere up to 40 isn't it?
Derek Benson
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# Posted: 16 Aug 2004 23:28 · Edited by: Derek Benson


Erik, did not know that, interesting information.

Kyle, lol thanks. Yea, I've been talking with a guy who posted pics on kingsnake of his T. corticale, but the dude wants $400 each, but I'd like some xanthic argus reeds, shoot me an e-mail or catch me on messanger.

Anonymous, I think that's the key, as long as you don't throw in a any numbers, it should be good, haha.

EDITED: He wanted $400, not $250, advertised on kingsnake.


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mve
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# Posted: 17 Aug 2004 07:10


I have wanted to design a natural habitat for tortise. it is hard to find good plants though. I think you can make it look really cool though. I will look around for some cool plants.


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 17 Aug 2004 12:56


I've been thinking about some type of shrub, but keep it in the pot and bury the pot, because the tortoise will just basically dig it up if the roots are exposed. Let me know what you find.


Derek Benson - Phyllomedusa/Hyperolius Enthusiast
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# Posted: 21 Feb 2005 19:59


i have a frog that i just perchased a couple of days ago at the local pet store and i am not sure what kind it is.They said it was a golden tree frog but i can't find anything about golden tree frogs online anywhere.This frog looks identical to the frog on derek bensons display picture. How long do cubans get this one i have is 4 inches long please help.
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# Posted: 21 Feb 2005 21:42


Anonymous (specksmom?)
I had a female Cuban that was nearly 5 inches snout to vent. She was a MONSTER and laid a whole mess of eggs one night... EVERYWHERE! THey were on the glass, in the water dish, all over plants and in the substrate. I swear it looked like she exploded! There had to have been literally HUNDREDS of eggs. I was only able to save 75 or so, ended up with around 60 tads then 34 froglets. Lemme tell you... they were NOT easy to find homes for here in FL LOL

and Derek when I get into my own place again... wanna come build me a unit? LOL



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Frogbert
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# Posted: 21 Feb 2005 22:20


most of the Golden treefrogs sold in pet stores are http://www.livingunderworld.org/gallery/photos/anura/rhacophoridae/pol ypedates/leucomystax/
or
http://www.livingunderworld.org/gallery/photos/anura/rhacophoridae/pol ypedates/colletti/

I have 6 of these beautiful frogs.

JAN


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# Posted: 21 Feb 2005 23:59 · Edited by: spawn


Frogbert, since I've noticed you to know what the hell you're talking about in regards to these frogs, I have a question about sexing them. You see, the pictures I posted a few months ago, alledgedly Cubans, are actually Gold Tree Frogs. I have thought they were leucomystax, but since I just saw those pictures on livingunderworld.org today (I don't know why I didn't think to search there before), I am beginning to think I have some colletti. Here is a four month-old picture of what a couple of my frogs look like:



I recently purchased two more, which were juveniles, all from the same clutch, and I decidedly chose one larger than the rest, in hopes of it being a female. It has the more pronounced back hump, which I have read is a key indicator to females, and, it also has a different texture than the others. The ones pictured, have a uniform monotone background color, then some spots/lines designs. The female (alleged) is different, because it is more textuered in a leopard-like pattern, and is lighter background color overall. Like I said, since they're from the same clutch, it was noticeably longer in the snout-to-vent length. What do you think, and what can you tell me in regards to sexual dimorphism with this species?

Frogbert
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2005 22:52


To Clarify-The living underground is not my website. just a place with great pictures.

The secret to truely identifying species and sex on these frogs is difficult.

If yours do not have a outline or more of an X or hourglass then they are probably a different subspecies than colleti. And they do Cross naturally between subspecies in nature, further confusing the idenity.

Coloring is not a good identifier to determine sex either. Mine change from almost white to almost black regardless of sex.

The strongest identifier is size. My males are half the size of the females. Some say to look at the coloring on the throat...but my females have color there, too. Mine seldom call, and they don't get the loose skin like many frogs do from calling. There calls sound like wet flatulance. Sorry if that is gross, but the truth often is. Size when fully grown is the only good ID I have found. Other than the rare occasion I here a call and can sneak in and watch to see who it is.

YOU may have a point with the hip ridges I will take a closer look tonight and get back with you tomorrow.


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spawn
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2005 03:16 · Edited by: spawn


Yeah, I knew that about livingunderground.com. As for the cross-breeding, well, that just makes things harder haha. Mine aren't full grown yet, so I guess I will have to wait. Let me know what you find out about what I told you. How big are your females? Thanks.

Frogbert
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2005 19:11


After observation last night - while the sway back is pronounced on one female the other three femailesand the two males have a slight showing. NOt sure this is a reliable distinction either. Ear size is consistant with body size, as well.

Hurumph~ My suggestion is to wait to here some farting, I mean calling!


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