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Gnag the nameless
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2012 00:21


I've got two small frogs, living in a half water half land tank. They are small for their kind, 2 inches (Smaller one, female) and 2 1/2 (Larger frog, male) while squatting. They are Rana Clamitans, or Northern Green Frogs, and if I'd have to guess, 1-2 years old, male and female (The genders are certain). I have a 5 gallon tank, with 1.8 inches of water on one side, and gravel on the other, which is supported by a wall of rocks. On the gravel, I have a small rock cave, and moss covering and surrounding it. I feed them 4 crickets (2 each meal) each one day, and only 1 at every meal the other day. During their "dinner" I feed them mealworms, same amount as the crickets. As for their hygiene, I scoop their droppings out of the tank daily with a small sifter (That's only used for that purpose :tongue and flush them down the toilet. I refresh 50% of their water at least 2-3 times a week, and use either rainwater or non-chlorinated. I clean their tank once a week, placing the frogs in a safe location, and emptying the gravel and moss, then washing the tank, adding a special detergent, washing it four more times, then drying it out, re-adding the gravel and rocks, and new, fresh moss, add the water, then place in the frogs. I've considered the possibility of tadpoles , and bought a 2.5 gallon tank, ready with the water, and supplies to maintain a group of tadpoles. I plan on letting them go into where I caught the two frogs, a nearby lake. Now, is there any tips, suggestions, or advice anyone has? It would be greatly appreciated.


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greene
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2012 01:09


A five gallon is way to small for 2 green frogs they need a lot of space I would buy a 55 gallon or just let them go


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Gnag the nameless
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2012 23:37


I have neither the time or the resources for such a massive tank, or at least, the same schedule with such a big tank. As for the frogs, remember, they are VERY small. I am going to get a 10 gallon (Or more) tank for them when they get over 2 1/2 inches, and I am VERY determined to keep and take proper care these frogs, as if I could not, they would've been back in their lake a long while back. They have done very well so far, are active, always eat (I have taken special precaution to NEVER overfeed them) and have shown absolutely no sign of unhappiness, or discomfort, except for when I enter the room, or disturb their habitat. As for the tank, here is an image of it: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=44925605511 5616&set=a.439566779417877.92171.100000936752905&t ype=3&theater


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greene
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# Posted: 25 Oct 2012 03:09


Well I guess if you cànt get a 55 try to atleast get a 20 long. These frog are very active.


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k412
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2012 20:46


Way too small.
They don't frown or act depressed. Their drive to survive is keeping them alive luckily.
Cut them loose, if not you're selfish.


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Gnag the nameless
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2012 22:27 · Edited by: Moderator


20 long, will do.

And I'm not stupid, k412. I've had experience with many animals, all of whom lived their maximum lifespan in health. I am simply new to amphibians, and I am also busy. I only have them, since my 4-year old dwarf hampster passed away before I decided to catch the frogs. I know when animals are unhappy, it's easy to tell. So, is that all you have to say? I could be doing much worse, not cleaning out their tank, not constantly refreshing the water, not keeping them on a strict but healthy diet. And how is their drive to survive keeping them alive? They're not in a sewer, or a festering tank. The image I have posted is RIGHT before I cleaned their tank, the tank at it's worst. I will get a 20 gallon as soon as possible, but seriously, I am working had to keep these frogs healthy and well. Show a bit of respect.


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greene
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# Posted: 1 Nov 2012 01:38


I would just let them go. green frogs aren't a good frog for beginners to keep anyway.


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Gnag the nameless
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# Posted: 2 Nov 2012 23:38


Northern green frogs, actually. And yeah, I am considering that.... we'll see. Thanks for the advice.


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k412
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# Posted: 3 Nov 2012 21:10


Respect is earned it is not something that I freely offer to the average person.
My respect goes to those in the hobby longer and with more knowledge than myself, those I seek advice from. *hint, hint.
Advice however is something that I offer freely. Accepting it is your choice.
Here are some helpful tips that you may want to print and post on your refrigerator.
Guessing age by size is not accurate.
Similar to bullfrogs, they are ravenous and gravel will impact them if it can fit into their mouth.
Moss....enough said.
"Special detergent".... I will pass on asking what that is for fear it's peroxide or Ajax.
You didn't mention the temperature at all so I guess I can leave that out also since it surely isn't very important.
"Supplies to keep tadpoles" You're right, looks like you have it all covered so there is no need for anyone to offer tips, advice or suggestions that you would so greatly appreciate.
"No time or resources for a massive tank" We'll isn't that just stellar.
Surely the signs of over feeding are similar to that of goldfish!
The "habitat" you described is fitting of someone who is determined to keep animals although they have no adequate means of providing care.
Most importantly there are a handful of people that are able to put me in check and you are not on that list.
You are welcome for my time.


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# Posted: 4 Nov 2012 19:48 · Edited by: Moderator


Yeah... I'll take down these tips. Thanks... and the detergent is palmolive, original. I've done my research, and I've been keeping the tank at 65- 75 Fahrenheit. I didn't mention it before because it is just common sense to keep the frogs in a good temperature. And let me elaborate on the tadpole supplies. I have a 5-gallon tank ready, with about 8 liters of rainwater, a filter, goldfish food, and also lettuce, when the time comes, to be sliced up finely, then boiled. Now, about the "No time or resources for a massive tank". When I say massive tank, I mean 55 gallon or so. I clean the tank out once every week, and refresh 50% of the water 2-3 times a week, and so I either would have to get a de-chlorinater (Which I certainly might) or more ways to harvest rainwater. Neither do I have the space for a 55 gallon. I have the space, however, for a 20 gallon tank, which is exactly what I will get, perhaps even tomorrow if I have the time. Adequate care? Elaborate a bit, please. How do I not have adequate care? I need to know what to improve on. Also, I keep myself in check, otherwise I would've let them go. I feel would feel remorse, undoubtedly, if I did not take proper care of the frogs. I have only a few other demanding activites to keep myself busy with, such as School, Soccer, and finally, keeping these frogs, so I pay a lot of time and attention to them. Also, I have shown a lot of people (Not professionals such as you and those on this website, however) the tank, and how I keep the frogs, and they say I am doing an excellent job, maybe too good. Either way, I do feel that I need to revamp my work, get a 20 gallon, and increase my work. Anyways, thank you for your time. I will take many of your tips into consideration, and most, if not all, into action.

Also, can you describe to me how the habitat should be, if in a 20 gallon tank?

Alright, I have gotten the 20 gallon tank, and put the rocks down, then behind the rocks, added the gravel, then the moss, plants (Some of which I have bought) and finally, 2 inches of water. The frogs are currently in the habitat. Outside, I have three buckets ready to collect rainwater with (I live in a temperate rainforest) and a 10 liter jug of non-chlorinated water at the ready. I now have two spare tanks, one of which I shall use if eggs appear (which they might in the new, clean environment). I'm going to use a similiar cleaning method as before, except I'll be cleaning out the water daily now, and occasionally scrubbing the tank to rid it of gunk and other non-desirable things. I'll also refresh the shrubbery that is not store-bought regularly, do the same for the store-bought plants on a weekly basis, and of course, keep the temperature at a desirable level, as well as keep the UVS lamp on during daytime. I'll keep the same routine with the crickets, earthworms, and mealworms (4 crickets every day, two every meal, two mealworms during "dinner" and earthworms as rare treats). Now, anything I have missed or need to improve on?


My Amphibians:

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2.0.0 Pacific Chorus frogs
1.0.0 Long Toed Salamander
k412
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# Posted: 5 Nov 2012 02:13


Good luck kiddo.


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Gnag the nameless
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2012 04:23


Thanks, man, I'll need it.


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1.0.0 Long Toed Salamander
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