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mimi
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2009 20:27


i saw a green&black posion dart frog mixed with a mossy tree frog.Good or Bad??


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marlon
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2009 20:40


Bad mix. No mixing. Marlon

Al_frog
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2009 21:14


There are a lot of reasons, some big and some small, that bear on the issue of why most experienced froggers lean heavily against mixing species or even varieties or even in some case more than a certain limited number of a given species in any given tank. It is wise to accept this concept unless you have very strong reasons why you are willing to take a substantial risk to the frogs. If you want to understand this better you can search the forum for threads on 'mixing' and I'm sure you will find lots of specific reasons. Some people mix frogs and if one or the other doesn't die in a week they think everything is OK- then two months later one dies but they refuse to believe that it is likely due to some aspect of having mixed them.

If you want to become an expert on the topic and educate others that is a good goal but I think it is often better to worry about how well we are taking care of our own animals and let other people make their choices of how they are going to take care of theirs. There are so few absolute rights and wrongs. If we set a good example others will follow......

thumper
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2009 21:42


theres really no such thing as a 'good' mix

just some that are less dangerous then others

Albatross
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2009 22:35


wow, that's a terrible mix.

nat31
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2009 02:42


thats horrifying in my book any mix is bad un less it is a fish in a turtle tank


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daystorm
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2009 02:49


Ok, considering the answers you are getting, you aren't getting anything concrete eh? People need to maybe explain themselves a little better.

See, the thing, as I understand it, is that mossy frogs are semi-aquatic type frogs. They like a large water area to play around in. Sometimes they even sleep in the water.

Yes, the humidity would be acceptable to a green and black d.auratus, but the setups are completely different. Auratus need land area, and they may climb, but not the way a tree frog does. They need lots of plants and places to hide. They need a land based area. While darts aren't poisonous in captivity (with a few possible exceptions, auratus not being one of those), the toxins that nevertheless exude from each frog species could irreperably harm the other.

I hope this explains it a little better. Like Al Frog said, it's up to you to make the decision on what you are going to do, I simply wish for you to make an informed and well thought up decision. If the reasons behind this are for your convenience though (as in the space one tank takes compared to one), I would say definitely not.


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BullfrogGreg
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2009 02:52


It's also stupid because I believe that a mossy could eat an auratus.

daystorm
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2009 02:53


I don't believe that using the word stupid is really appropriate when it come to describing someones question. Really, the only stupid question is the one that wasn't asked.


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BullfrogGreg
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2009 02:55


Ugh are you serious? I wasn't sayin the question was stupid. I was saying the mix in the store was stupid.

Hayden
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2009 03:00


That is just a ridiculous mix. The store owner should be bound and gagged and beat with a sock full of quarters.

Al_frog
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2009 06:38 · Edited by: Al_frog


I find it interesting that the assumption has been made that the mix in question was seen in a store. The reason for asking the question was vague so I gave a general answer rather than a one line ultimatum as I thought that was more useful.

Jawsofafrog
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2009 11:56


That is just a ridiculous mix. The store owner should be bound and gagged and beat with a sock full of quarters.
Haha! Yeah, that is a bad mix.


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nuggular
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2009 18:00


http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread &forum=3&topic=15072


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MonkeyFrogMan28
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2009 18:28


I don't believe that using the word stupid is really appropriate when it come to describing someones question. Really, the only stupid question is the one that wasn't asked.

i think we are old enough to were the word "stupid" doesnt hurt our feelings.

It is a stupid mix. how could someone think it would even work. thats a orrible store.


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daystorm
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2009 23:44


Actually, not everybody is old enough not to be hurt by such things. Some of the posters on this forum are 13 and would be hurt by the word stupid. In any case, it's belittlement. Plain and simple.

I do admit that I understood the question wrong though, and therefore did not fully understand why that was being said.


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mimi
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 00:26


the thing is it wasnt a pet store it was a ZOO!!thats what terrifyied me the most and there was 6 of those black and green poision dart frog.i couldnt see the mossies but it said it was in there..


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"Whats popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular"

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mimi
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 15:10


how dangoures is this mix??


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"Whats popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular"

one grey tree frog

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MonkeyFrogMan28
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 15:13 · Edited by: MonkeyFrogMan28


very dangerous. a adult mossy could eat the dart. they are small enough. The rule with amphibians is, if it can fit in their mouth, they can eat it. and they ussually will try to. they arent even from the same parts of the world, correct if im wrong. If you have a wild caught dart, it would kill the mossy from its poison.


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mimi
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 15:15


aww man! a zoo should know better but the zoo is in florida and im back in wisconsin now i should have told them......


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"Whats popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular"

one grey tree frog

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MonkeyFrogMan28
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 15:17


send them a email. im surprised that a zoo could really be so dumb. Zoos are supposed to care for the animals. But i guess they just care how the exzibit looks


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MonkeyFrogMan28
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 15:20 · Edited by: MonkeyFrogMan28


mimi. where in Wisconsin are you from? i grew up most of my life in Elkhorn WI. Living in Wisconsin was the best years of my life. I love it out there. Here in Massachusetts, everyone is in such a frickin rush for nothing. everybodys gotta be first and cut you off. Plus the attitudes of people out here suck. When i lived in Wisconsin, everyone was nice and laid back and had fun.


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Carlton
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 18:03


Not all zoos know everything they should about every animal they have. They have funding problems, space problems, animal losses just like we do. They are run by people with opinions too. They depend on the experience and knowledge of their curators and staff. If no one at that zoo happened to be a frog expert...well this kind of stuff goes on. Zoos aren't necessarily motivated by the same things you and I expect them to be. They are competing for visitors (income), competing for bragging rights (we've got such and such species and you don't), and many curators are simply large scale collectors (I have more species in my collection than you do) and not necessarily selecting their display animals for the best reasons. They need species that are showy and popular to bring in the visitors and the money. A lot of times those displays that draw the crowds are funding a specialty project that the public never sees.

I once visited an internationally known zoo (no names OK?) expecting to see a perfect habitat setup for an old world chameleon. Well, I found one that was right out of an outdated husbandry book I would have pitched in the trash. I was lucky enough to see one of the reptile house keepers and started asking about it. Once he realized I knew about chameleons he just opened up. We talked about chameleons for almost 2 hours, he showed me the behind- the-scenes setups and we traded a lot of husbandry info. There were some reasons why the chameleon was in that particular setup at that particular time. The curator learned from me and I learned from him. I know he cared about the chameleon and how it was kept even if I disagreed with some of the decisions they made.


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mimi
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 20:09


the thing is this wasnt an exepit it was a glass cage inside an infromation area for touristis it was like 14 dollars for adults and 11 dollars for kids and it was packed!!so i dont think moneys an issue here.dang it i should have said somthing to them.....


thankz monkeyfrogman28 yeah not much of a rush here i live in jefferson county


from:mimi
"Whats popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular"

one grey tree frog

ducktape is silver silence is golld
Carlton
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 21:11


If the frogs could be seen by the public they were on exhibit regardless of where the case was. Even the general public has heard about dart frogs and some have heard about mossy frogs (being a fairly recent discovery). They probably picked the species to put in that display based on popularity, color contrast, and unusual appearance.

Zoos are always scrambling for money. They need a lot more money than admission fees bring in. It costs millions to run a zoo. If a zoo was to base its funding COMPLETELY on admission sales you would be paying a lot more than $14 or $11. That's a drop in the feed bucket.

If you want to say something you can always send them an email or write a letter describing your concerns. No reason why you shouldn't and there just might be a reason none of us thought about. Maybe not a great reason, but possibly something such as switching species in that display every few days.


"True merit is like a river. The deeper it is the less noise it makes." Edward Frederick Halifax
mimi
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 21:14


gosh soorry thats just my opinon


from:mimi
"Whats popular isn't always right and what's right isn't always popular"

one grey tree frog

ducktape is silver silence is golld
Carlton
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2009 21:33


I didn't mean to jump on you mimi. I've had to work a little with zoos in the past and their reality is more complicated than most visitors realize. Go ahead and write to them. If they didn't think about that mix of species someone should tell them...they need to be reminded that visitors notice and care about what they see. A zoo should set a good example or be able to justify the decisions they make.


"True merit is like a river. The deeper it is the less noise it makes." Edward Frederick Halifax
Frogs ROCK
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# Posted: 17 Mar 2009 00:31


Actually, not everybody is old enough not to be hurt by such things. Some of the posters on this forum are 13 and would be hurt by the word stupid. In any case, it's belittlement. Plain and simple.


I'm 11 and the word stupid doesnt bother me.

dont even mix anyways.


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