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Dakhota
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2009 07:00


Well . . .I'm a little stressed tonight. I'd post pics as well, but seeing as how it's midnight and I have a vet appointment at 8:45 a.m., I will hopefully have answers by the time I get back on here tomorrow. I may still need your help . . .so pics may come tomorrow.

First of all, my vet is out of town . . .the vet helping out 'claims' to know white's tree frogs . . .I'm gonna be choked if I have to tell her what's wrong and then pay her.

Anyways . . .as I was cleaning the water dish tonight, my white's tree frog 'Gimp' was all curled up on a leaf sleeping and when I looked carefully I noticed an open wound on her back right leg near the knee joint. I took her out and gave her a soak. There's 3 more small open sores on the other side. Her legs don't have that bright veiny look but the sores scare me. Could be crickets bites? I'm hoping. The leg is a little swollen around the larger wound and she did not appear to be using it much. She has been eating normally and I did not notice this bite when feeding on Sunday.

I immediatly moved her into quarantine and thought I'd better check the rest. The first four looked great . . one of them peeing on me in disgust four times during inspection. LOL! No marks or indications of problems. Then I picked up Fabienne. Her back left leg (the upper portion) is very swollen. No open wounds, it's just really, really puffy. I had a similiar incident with a white's two years ago. My vet ruled it as an infection and after 5 days of injections, I lost him. This looks exactly the same.

So yah. I'm a little stressed now about the redleg. Seeing illnesses in two frogs like that . . .not good. Fabienne did jump around and is acting completely normal, but she's swelled. Does anyone have experience with redleg in terms of watching the early affects? I can't see my frogs having it as I keep my temps and humidity right and am good with water changes. But yah, does that seem wierd?


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# Posted: 28 Jan 2009 07:30


Ohh Dakhota im so sorry I wish I could help!! I dont want to say anything wrong so Ill just say good luck!!


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Cheryl Andrews
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2009 15:55


Sorry that's happening. Baytril might help. I've never treated it before, but I think on another thread someone mentioned it might help.

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# Posted: 28 Jan 2009 16:54


Well . . . .the vet said she had seen redleg before but it had been a really long time. She 'thinks' that might be what I'm dealing with. She took some pics and is doing some research for me. In the meantime, I've been sent home with baytril injections for 10 days and when I finish work this afternoon I'm gonna have to do a tank teardown and sterilization.

One question . . .she didn't know if I should treat all six frogs, or just the two with illness. She thinks just the two should be fine and keep an eye on the others. Any thoughts on this?


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# Posted: 28 Jan 2009 17:37


Our policy at the vet nine times out of ten is to only treat the ones that are showing symptoms. If I remember right, your WTF tank is huge, and the animals we get concerned about are idiot owners that have their animals in cramped conditions where bacterial infections would be highly probable to spread from animal to animal.
If we had a treatment that was easy on frogs, then you probably would want to treat everyone, but the fact is, ANY medications are highly stressful to our froggy friends. Baytril is a great med, and it sounds like it's necessary in this case, but Baytril can be hard on any herp. You have to weigh the benefits and risks of treatment every time. In your sick frogs it's a no brainer, but with the others it's a little harder.
If I were you, I'd quarantine the 2, then do just like you thought, a tank teardown. Maybe take out some of the decorations, so you can monitor them a little easier. Keep a close eye on the other 4.
This is just my opinion, I'm sure others will chime in as well. You are a pro at this, and I know your froggys are in the BEST hands. If this is red leg, you've caught it early. It may very well be cricket bites or another type of bacterial infection, and the swollen leg joint could be trauma.
I'm sending lots of love your way- And tell Gimp and Fabienne I said they aren't allowed to decline in health in ANY way....only get better and FAST.


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# Posted: 28 Jan 2009 17:46


I don't recall Baytril being recommended for Red Leg but I could be wrong and you also may not be dealing with that disease. Here is a link to an interesting article:
Red Leg article
I would certainly try the Neosporin-type ointment WITHOUT pain killer in it!
There are a bunch of other possibilities for surface sores also:
Methylene Blue, Nolvasan, Betadine, Silvadene water miscible ointment. Information on some of these can be found searching here or Google for the rest. Good Luck!

daystorm
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2009 19:04


I just had a mild case of redleg, the vet gave me baytril to inject orally for my frog. She said that sometimes something happens to stress out the frog (in my case, flagellates) and weakens the frogs immune system so that they can't deal with other things. But a healthy frog can and will be able to fight it off, so no reason to treat your other frogs unless you start noticing symptoms.

The little guy is now recuperating and putting his weight back on (flagellates are nasty) and the other frog is showing no symptoms.


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# Posted: 28 Jan 2009 19:21


poor guys.

Let us know how they make out.

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# Posted: 29 Jan 2009 05:03 · Edited by: Dakhota


UPDATE: I'm gonna post some pics later too . . .I'm still in the midst of teardown.

So . . .whilst tearing down, guess what I found? A big nasty looking tunnel spider. It wasn't a wolf spider. Too grey. Anyways, he'd made himself a nice little tunnel under one of my logs. I don't know how i've missed him. Maybe he could have bit Gimp? . . . .

I ripped the tank apart. Bleached (not straight, mixed of course), then rinsed, then dish soaped, then rinsed, then rinsed again. With the plants (they're silks) I did the same but I soaked them. I've never used bleach before. I can still smell a bit of bleach residue although I'm pretty positive I got it all out. Is this normal? I'm kinda freaked that now I'll end up killing my frogs with bleach residue.

Right now I have moved Gimp and fabienne to their own quarantine tanks. They've both had a shot. I'm giving them some food right now. Gimp is going crazy for it. I'm really beginning to think it's not redleg. Something is definately wrong with Fabienne though, the leg is really swollen.

I'll post pics soon. If this is redleg, I'd like to post pics of the progress (or not) for future reference.


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# Posted: 29 Jan 2009 05:05


What a punk spider.

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# Posted: 29 Jan 2009 05:07


The little bugger would not die either. It kept burrowing under the substrate when I'd chase it. I think it got scooped into the substrate (while removing it from the tank) and is now living outside (sorry little buddy, but it's cold out there).


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# Posted: 29 Jan 2009 06:32


Ok. Photo Time!

We'll start with the sicklies:

Here's Gimp (the supposed redleg victim). She did eat five crickets and left me a nice healthy poop since my last post. I could not get her to let me photograph her legs so this will have to do (injury is on back right leg):


A bad shot of the two bites underneath (she wouldn't stay still):


Backside shot:


Is it just me or does it not look like red leg?

Here's Fabienne. She definately has an infection of some sort. Note the back left leg:




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# Posted: 29 Jan 2009 06:39


Here's the rest of the crew, which I believe to be healthy. Only one would let me take a back leg shot. The rest were just little brats eager to jump away and get back in their freshly cleaned home.

I'm just really doubting a red leg infection.

Here's Winston:


Leg shot of Winston (the only one I could get):


Here's Vinnie. He's my oldest. Had him since October 2004:



This is Lance:



And finally, Butch:




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# Posted: 29 Jan 2009 09:44


Hmmm ... a spider and redleg.

I would contemplate what the spider was feasting on if not frogs' legs and what kind of injuries a frog would get from a spider bite ...

I hope it's whatever they can recover from easiest and that they recover no matter what it is.


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# Posted: 29 Jan 2009 11:42


Hey Trish, I think you are doing the right thing by isolating them for the time being. The bites look pretty deep but it is a good sign that Gimp ate 5 crickets and had a bowel movement.

Fabienne's leg does look pretty swollen. I have never seen anything like that before. Is behavior otherwise normal (eating, passing stool) and is it affecting her mobility?

I'm not a vet but I hope that your frogs recover well. Just keep bumping this thread if there are any developments or if you have any questions. I'm sure there are more people that can chime in.

I don't come here as often as I used to so thanks for cueing me on facebook.


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