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maxmlax
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2003 04:18


what are good beginner frogs? other than WTF...


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Heather
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2003 05:56


I keep saying this every where this question is asked LOL

Cuban Tree Frogs!!! I have a crap load of babies that need homes!!! LOL They are very easy to care for and are really neat, BIG tree frogs!


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# Posted: 9 Aug 2003 06:09


i agree they are great frog to start with. never have to worry about them not eating. haha. take some of heathers, she has a bunch.


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# Posted: 9 Aug 2003 14:01


Yeah, take some of mine LOL I have over 30 babies who are all healthy, eating VERY WELL and growing fast! Not to mention very active and just too gosh darn cute!


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mark
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2003 15:49


ok. Cubans are very hardy but nobody ever mentions that they are poisonous. if you are dumb enough to handle a Cuban and it gets upset you will be in a lot of pain when your hand rubs your eye. trust me. Happened to me many years ago.

to the author of the post who has the white's babies already, don't rush into the hobby. frogs are great but you need to be sure your white's are ok before buying more. if the white's are sick with redleg or something then it is very easy to transfer the disease between tanks. my suggestion is just keep the white's for at least 3 to 6 months with no problems then get some other frogs. get the white's a bigger tank (20 gal min) and give them a nice naturalistic setup. the setups are almost as much fun as the frogs. I assume you also realize that you should never mix species. you need more tanks for more frogs.

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# Posted: 9 Aug 2003 23:51


once you are sure you want more....Greens are good beginer frogs!


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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2003 12:39


The Cubans are poisonous, but it should be made a point of that you should always wash your hands well after handling any herp, anyway.

Everyone makes mistakes, but that can be a good thing. It can help correct a negative behavior, and burning in the eyes can be much better than salmonella poisoning (this is speaking from someone who's never had any Cuban TF poisons in her mucous membranes, so I could be wrong. But I've had Havanero peppers in my eyes, nose, and mouth, and I imagine it can't be that bad).


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Heather
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2003 17:30


You know, I think that the Cubans toxins effect everyone differently. Hubby will get red and itchy if one of the adults walks up his arm. My on the other hand, haven't had any reaction to them at all! And I had one of them jump on my face.


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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 00:52


just jumping or crawling on you is not a problem. they have to produce the toxin.
and as far as 'I've had peppers in my eye and it can't be that bad'... no comment. I don't know how to respond to that. I had to go to the eye doctor who had to give me eyedrops. he also wrote an article about it too.

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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 00:53


Oh.. and the most important thing- I would not recommend a poisonous frog to any beginner when there are plenty of other options.

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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 01:48


Don't be so negative, mark... I guess the point is to start with a GTF or a hardy toad like the Fire-Belly toad maybe, since the other ones have toxins.

I agree with that, but sincerly, it only needs some precautions that any adult can take to care for a poisonous frog. If that person has read enough and thinks he can take the responsibility, I'd say go for it.

The best would be to name the very hardy frogs Max could easily keep.




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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 03:53


I knew that they produced a toxin, just like all other froggies but I didn't know the strength. The babies don't seem to produce anything yet and the three adult males that we have are really quite mellow, hubby only got the reaction once and it was from the one that escaped. Since then, as long as he keeps them off his arms he's fine. They don't even pee in your hand if you have to move them for any reason. I am very surprized at how well adjusted the three adults are concidering they are wild caught! Usually if I need to do anything in the tank I just have to give them a little nudge on the butt and they will casually climb up the glass and get out of my way. As soon as I'm done they look at me and just go right back to where they were.


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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 04:09


Mark, maybe you're just more sensitive to the toxin than most people? I've heard it hurts, but it's nothing to worry about. And believe me, it can't be worse than those peppers if they burnt through my skin... On the other hand, I've also had a Cuban jump on my face and touch the outside of my eyes, and I felt nothing.

And I also beg to differ about the beginner thing. Fire Bellieds are often recommended as beginner frogs, and they're also toxic. However, Heather, mine (the wild-caught adults) pee on me very readily if I just tap them to move over for whatever reason.

Although I don't want to say they're fool-proof frogs or anything, because it's obvious they're toxic, I don't think it's anything that bad to most individuals.


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mark
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 04:09


the cuban was at the vets and we were getting it dewormed. that's why he was upset and I was 'slimed'. every day actions will not upset the frog. and who's negative? it's the facts. and I did wash my hands.

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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 04:20


Negative about not recommending those frogs to beginners... read your own posts too and you'll understand.


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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 04:45


To Mark: Hya!! It's great to see you back on the boards! I know it'll only be a bit before you'll have to be gone again for awhile but I'm glad to see you here while you can be.

To Everyone: I know there are several people here who don't know Mark but let me just assure you that 1) he knows his stuff and you can count on anything he tells you as being 100% accurate and take it to the bank and 2) you have to know his style of posting to not take him the wrong way - he's straight to the point, no sugar coating, no BS, factual info; no flowery, smiley face, froggie-friend posts. So don't take him as negative or harsh because he isn't aiming to be, he's just Mark. And if there's something you need to know about frogs he's probably got the answer for you - even if it's not what you want to hear. So take advantage of it while he's here....he's a great source of knowledge.
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cheshireycat
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 04:50


Oh, don't get me wrong--I don't doubt Mark's knowledge of the facts at all because he seems very knowledgable! But this issue is so iffy, and it's really just a matter of opinion. I honestly don't think that a Cuban would pose much of a threat to anyone who bothered to inform themselves of their dangers, except for a few occurances that are inevitable and could happen to anyone--not just the inexperienced.


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becki
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 06:06


I wasn't directing that to anyone person or persons imparticularly Chesh. I don't think Cubans - and many other species asides from GTF and WTF - make bad starter frogs as long as enough research is done. I didn't aim it to come off like that. I have just been co-posting on the boards with Mark for some time now and have seen alot of people not know how to take him and then take him the wrong way and get bent out of shape is all. Becki

cheshireycat
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 06:08


I didn't figure you were aiming that directly towards me, but I don't want it to come across like I think he doesn't know what he's talking about or anything, so I'm just making sure


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azureus06
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 06:10


what? I remember you two arguing on KS all day long, over nothing...

Heather
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 08:37


I'm quite aware of Marks knowledge, thanks to his No-nonsense posts on KS he helped me with a lot of information when I was first starting out only a few months back.

I am making printouts to go with the Cuban babies to anyone who may not know what needs to be done and I will be sure to include their toxitity.


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becki
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 17:21 · Edited by: becki


Azureus - you are thinking of someone else, wasn't me. There were several people who would argue with him over nothing all the time and I would often come to Mark's defense but I didn't argue with him. We've had some topics where we've agreed to disagree but Mark took me in as a newbie and taught me loads and I've always been grateful to him since.

And, did I say something wrong????
It seems I may have erked some of you - I'm not sure why but I'm sorry, I wasn't aiming to. You can always e-mail me beckinelson@webtv.net
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2003 18:44


I think American green tree forgs are a great beginner frog. there very hardy and dont need to much expert set ups.

there also nice and active.

I find mine soo interesting and they really got my hooked on frogs.


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Brian
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2003 00:00


Personally I think true toads are excellent starter frogs assuming you get one compatable with your area.

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# Posted: 12 Aug 2003 16:18


I agree with brian, toads are fun to start with cos they live on land, dont climb, eat almost anything and get big quickly. Johns toad would jump into his hand to take "rides" around the apartment while I cleaned his tank!! This is a first for me, I have never known a frog that like to be carried around. The point being that toads have great personalities when they grow up. My babies are just starting to develop little personalities! So much fun to watch.

Max- if you are interested I have tons of american toad babies. If you want some and dont mind payingg the shipping I dont mind sending them. My e-mail is laci@boxwine.net

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# Posted: 12 Aug 2003 22:28


I think that American toads are a great starter. As long as you know your limits on handling them (which should be never, unless you have to remove them for cage cleaning, and then with a rubber glove.) They are the most hardy species I have kept, and require no special tank heating; really, all you need is a tank, some substrate, a nice waterbowl and a few hide spots. Not too expensive, either. Tankwise, you need at least a 20g Long tank for an adult american toad, 10g is ok for a young one though. They are also quite calm around you, in time, when compared to "faster" frogs suchas the green frog. I can handfeed my american toads, which would be impossible with the flighty greens and bullfrogs.
Remember, toads can secrete bufotoxin via the paratoid glands on each side of he head/neck, so it is unwise to stress them out by trying to grab them. Like all frogs, they are great to watch, but not lap-dogs. Do tell what you choose to keep; I would be happy to give you advice if it is a type of frog I have kept.
ginevive
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2003 22:31


That was my post, I screwed up on the Login. But it still did not put me as anonymous, just ginevive with a "'" after it; how strange...? So is there a ginevive' out there with the same password as me?


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Velociraptor
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2003 22:36


Nope, or it would say "Member" and the number of posts "genevive'" would have written.

So I guess it's a way to name an anonymous person on the forums without having to fill in the informations required to become a member ;P




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DeFrEaTs
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# Posted: 17 Aug 2003 00:19


I think African clawed frogs or Dwarf frogs are excelent beginner frogs! They are 100%aquatic and can be as easy to keep as tropical fish. There only food requirement is frozen food like blood worm, tubifex etc. They got me totally hooked on frgs. They are VERy active 24/7 even though they are noctural creatures. Look into them They have great personalilties


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x5dmr
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# Posted: 21 Aug 2003 01:35


Gray tree frogs are a pretty good starter, and barking tree frogs.

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