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christy2007
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# Posted: 27 Sep 2007 04:20


There is a frog living in my pond that was just put together a few weeks ago. He's in there with 2 goldfish and 2 snails. At first, he was scared and would hide when we came next to the pond. My boyfriend fed him a worm the other night, now he's our best friend. He hangs out with us and waits for us to feed him. Are worms good for them? One a day, is that too much? Should I let him get his own food? He's adorable and we named him Elton.

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# Posted: 27 Sep 2007 04:25


Well, worms are pretty healthful, but if he is hungry he will get his own food. I am sure there are plenty of insects in your yard for him.

By the way, you should try not to use any pesticides, herbicides or fertilizers on your lawn as they could be harmful for the frog, even fatal.

If you posted a picture of him I am sure the people around here could help you identify his species.

Elton is a cute name.


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# Posted: 27 Sep 2007 04:27


Worms are great for him. Without knowing the size I can't tell you if its too much, but if you let hin get his own food he might eat your fish:. Be carefull!

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# Posted: 27 Sep 2007 05:44


I took a picture of him. He's not interested in the fish. There's a slug that comes by at night and hangs out w/ him too ;)
What type is he?


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# Posted: 27 Sep 2007 06:01 · Edited by: Jay Willis


looks like a green frog or maybe a north american bullfrog. Can't see very well

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# Posted: 27 Sep 2007 06:06


Yeah, I'll take another picture of him tomorrow during the day
thx

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# Posted: 27 Sep 2007 19:57


It's funny 'cause he totallyl looks like he's debating on when would be a good time to slurp up that slug!


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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 02:25


Sorry it took so long. Here's Elton's pic
Do they carry disease? The pond I have is very small, super small. Probably 10 inches or so deep and 10 inches round. I wanted to bring him in the winter. I don't know if I should. Should I? How do I find out how old he is about? Is there anyway of telling? The pic makes him look bigger than he is, though.
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 03:27 · Edited by: KittenClaw22


Seems to be a juvenile or young adult bullfrog to me.

You can't really catch traditional diseases, not what you would consider a disease that you might think you could catch from a bird for example. I am not really sure what you mean by disease. All small animals can carry salmonella, internal parasites, there is also the chytrid fungus with amphibians to consider... Basically don't lick him or eat his poo. Wash your hands if you touch him. Use the same precautions you would use with your pet gerbil or hamster.

Try not to handle him, don't pick him up and hold him. Handling amphibians can cause stress, which can lead to a weakened immune system, illness, death, etc.

He isn't going to hurt the water, but his urine will add ammonia and his stool could add bacteria... If you have some sort of pump or circulation I wouldn't worry about bacteria multiplying too quickly. Bullfrogs also release a musk that can be very odorous. They can be a smelly frog. If the water source is very small as you say then the musk scent will sort of back up and compounded with the ammonia could make the water smelly.

If you don't want him around just gather him into a bucket, put a board or a lid over it and take him to a fresh water pond, river or lake and deposit him there.

More about Chytrids:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chytridiomycosis


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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 03:42


Taking in a bullfrog is alot of work, even if its just for the winter!! If You really wanna do it just check out some care sheets and You should be ok!

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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 05:30


do bullfrogs actually eat fish? I find that hard to believe. They will eat giant roaches, dragonflies, mice, birds, snakes blahblahblah...but I have a hard time seeing one catching a fish.

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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 07:07


do bullfrogs actually eat fish? I find that hard to believe.

Bullfrogs will eat anything they can fit in their mouths, I breed albino bullfrogs in an outdoor pond and give them 50 goldfish every couple weeks as a treat.


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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 12:10


Awwwww.. Hes a cutie!


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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 16:23


I raised some bullfrogs from tadpoles a few years ago, like Ed says, they eat anything that moves and can fit in their mouth. I kept feeder guppies and fed them to the bullfrogs, it was really amusing to watch the frog sit on a rock and fish. The fry went to my african dwarf frogs and the older ones went periodically to my bullfrogs.

Fish are a great source of calcium for frogs. If you raise your own and treat them for parasites then they make a great treat for almost any frog. Just put one on a saucer and when the frog sees it flopping about I bet they will eat it. If they don't take it out before it dies and try again later, or just put it in their water dish.

As for taking in the bullfrog.. I don't think that is the posters intention however if it is I would warn against it. They are messy smelly frogs that require a huge enclosure.


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# Posted: 7 Oct 2007 05:04


Would he be okay out in the small pond in the winter? Again, the pond is about 10 inches in diameter and about 10 inches deep. I do have a pump to circulate the water. Maybe I should get him a small heater? This is all new to me.
We've been feeding him worms at night and talking to him. Now when I call him, he comes out. Didn't know frogs were smart.

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# Posted: 7 Oct 2007 10:41


Frogs hibernate for the winter in most places. So trying to keep him warm could psych him out and prevent him from hibernating and resulting in death if it gets very cold where you are. Besides there are no insects for the frog to eat in the winter so hibernation is best unless you plan to set him up an indoor enclosure, in which case I strongly caution you against it because bullfrogs make horrid pets.


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# Posted: 12 Oct 2007 03:29


Little off topic but......can mossy tree frogs also feed on fish? I have a terrearium set up with a filter that can probably sustain some guppies. Would the mossies eat them?


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# Posted: 12 Oct 2007 04:19


Probably not, but it's possible.


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# Posted: 19 Apr 2008 04:55


Elkton made it through the winter!!! I saw him today. I'm sooo [b][/b]happy.
I have a question:
I live in Jersey, I'm moving to Maryland and I want to take him. I love him to death. Does anyone know a good way to transport him so he doesn't get stressed??? Of course I'm going to put him in my car, but what should I put him in?
I'll post more pictures of him tomorrow. He got bigger. Tried to feed him a worm today, but he didn't want it.

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# Posted: 19 Apr 2008 05:21


I really wouldn't do that, clearly he knows how to survive where he is now. Just let the next person know to expect a visitor from time to time.


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# Posted: 19 Apr 2008 17:04


Bullfrogs are lousy passengers, no matter how well accommodated. They can also be terribly "invasive" in that they will eat smaller frogs (including, regrettably, their own) and may eliminate the frogs native to wherever you are moving. Imagine a colony of, say, happy wood frogs being wiped out by Elton the Hun.

It's really nice that you have become so attached to the frog, but if you build a pond at your new home, you will soon have some brand new amphibian friends.


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# Posted: 19 Apr 2008 19:10


There are many reasons to not bring the frog with you. Not to mention such a trip might actually kill the frog if you dont make sure the car doesnt get to hot and that he doesnt get to hot. Also, it is probably illegal for you to take him and also illegal for you to release him in another state he is not native to.


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# Posted: 19 Apr 2008 21:54


Bullfrogs are native to Maryland. I don't know about other states, but releasing into a manmade backyard pond is not considered to be releasing into the wild.

The only problem I see with taking him other than the stress factor, is that bullfrogs have extremely sharp homing senses, and have been known to travel for miles trying to get back to their home pond after being relocated. So if you did take him there would be the chance of him leaving trying to find his "home".


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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 01:49


I"d leave him behind. There are lots of water stores here in Maryland that sell tadpoles. You could start a whole new pond and raise one from a baby.

I'm outside baltimore. Could direct you to a few nice garden shops that carry all sorts of aquatic things, including bullfrog tads.


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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 02:32


I'm so upset. I have a townhouse and I sold it. So these new people don't look too much like they would like frogs...
He actually comes out of the pond when I call him. He's so sweet...

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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 02:45


Take him to a local place with a nice big pond. Maybe in a state park or something. He will be happy.

Where are you moving in Maryland? Are you part of BRAC?


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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 05:56


I'm moving to Cecil County Maryland (Rising Sun).
BRAC? What's that?

We've decided that we are going to take his whole pond...we luv him

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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 15:21


releasing into a manmade backyard pond is not considered to be releasing into the wild

Releasing a frog anywhere outside is a "wild" release. There is no guarantee that the frog will stay where you put it.

We've decided that we are going to take his whole pond

What a terrible idea. I feel bad for the frog. They are not dogs christy. You stand a large chance of killing this frog in the move. Not to mention the legal issues of crossing state borders with a native species. Everyone here has tried to be nice and give you good reasons to leave the frog. Seeing as that is not working, I will give it to you strait. Taking that frog is the wrong thing to do. But your attachment to the frog and your inability to take the good advice that you came here to ask for is pissing me off. Why even come here and get us all worried about this frog, give you good reasons to leave it behind and then just not even listen to the educated advice given to you. You are now taking the uneducated route and risking this frogs life. Is that what you want. If you really luv the frog, you will leave him there. Period.


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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 17:30


Releasing a frog anywhere outside is a "wild" release. There is no guarantee that the frog will stay where you put it.


I was just referring to a legality in Texas, nothing more.


Also, taking the pond along as well might not do the trick anyhow. These frogs have very keen homing instincts and have been known to travel for miles to find their way home. So relocating the pond is kind of like relocating a birds nest. They might like the nest, but instincts will tell them to fly back home. It's just part of their nature. I have relocated about 40 bullfrogs to a smaller pond near our house, and they have all gone now, surely about 600 yeards away to their original pond. This is why I am going to have to start with tads again.


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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 18:44 · Edited by: Jennifer


You know Big Hydro, some birds just migrate to far away places their parents came from without ever having made the trip themselves. So I would imagine there isn't any guarantee with tadpoles.

I think Christy has big plans for this frog with whom she has obviously formed a solid attachment

On a more serious note, I'd be concerned about the legality of moving it ...

Are the weather conditions in the two places very different?

Are you worried by the way, that the people coming in would try to get rid of the frog?


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