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sschind
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 00:55


A guy comes into my store today and says he finally got the 65 gallon tank he had gotten from me a few months ago set up for his lizards. This is what he has in there. Keep in mind "they are getting along great"

a Nile monitor
A Savanna monitor
a red tegu
a green iguana
an some sort of ameiva.

I just shook my head. He's one of those people that you can't tell anything to and its a waste of time trying. If the animal or fish ( he puts together ridiculous combinations of fish as well) doesn't get eaten in the first day that means they are getting along great.


Steve Schindler
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 01:15


People are astonishing.


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Al_frog
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 02:17 · Edited by: Al_frog


Actually I have been wondering about the issues of mixing lizards. I think some of the issues are different from amphibians. These would include surface toxins and possibly parasite load. I would research this more before I would prejudge it. It could be that they are different enough from each other that they just do not see each other as competitive for food. Of course if some are much smaller (=younger) than others probably there would be a problem. Some lizards are very different from others in what population size and mix of sexes of the same species work out together and there are also just plain differences in individuals. I am assuming here that these are all rather juvenile and healthy. I certainly don't think I would try this at this point!

Charlie
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 05:52


how about...

Nile monitors thrive in high humidity, and are semi aquatic terrestrial lizards, and tend to have a vicious demeanor as they grow... to a length of about 6 foot.

Savannah monitors grow to about 3 foot long, and come from the sub-Saharan dessert. This is a hot dry environment...

Red Tegu's are from South America, and grow to about 4 foot... They can be found all over from Argentina, to Bolivia.

Green Iguana's grow up to 6 foot, require high humidity, have a primarily herbivorous diet, and are arboreal.

Ameiva's are from Central America, and are subterranean, and about 1.5-2'.

so there is no prejudgment here. None of these species are a good mix together.


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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 06:07


Charlie, Thats a great post! spanks with accurate information in an intelligent manner.


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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 07:00


how about...

Nile monitors thrive in high humidity, and are semi aquatic terrestrial lizards, and tend to have a vicious demeanor as they grow... to a length of about 6 foot.

Savannah monitors grow to about 3 foot long, and come from the sub-Saharan dessert. This is a hot dry environment...

Red Tegu's are from South America, and grow to about 4 foot... They can be found all over from Argentina, to Bolivia.

Green Iguana's grow up to 6 foot, require high humidity, have a primarily herbivorous diet, and are arboreal.

Ameiva's are from Central America, and are subterranean, and about 1.5-2'.

so there is no prejudgment here. None of these species are a good mix together.




Well said.


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Al_frog
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 07:11


What is the point of this thread?

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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 07:26 · Edited by: BIG HYDRO


dunno, but you posted twice too


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sschind
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 14:58


I could say the same for quite a few posts on here. Since so many of you are so quick to jump on the no mixing bandwagon when it comes to frogs I figured I would throw this out there.

The point is some people will mix anything, sometimes it is OK and sometimes it is just wrong. And sometimes there is nothing you or I can do about it because sometimes people are just ignorant.

If you are concerned that this post doesn't have anything to do with frogs then I suggest you take a look at the forum I posted it under. Notice the General Chat, for all your non froggie stuff.

You obviously do not have the wealth of knowledge about lizards that you have about frogs. That is obvious from your first post to this thread. There is nothing wrong with that. There are many subjects that I know nothing about as well. Generally when a post appears about a topic I know nothing about, I keep out of it since chances of me having anything productive to contribute is remote. Note I said Generally, because like everyone else, sometimes I have a hard time knowing when I am not contributing something productive. Still, I try.


Steve Schindler
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 17:39


What is the point of any thread? Discussion and education.

I would rather read a random conversation about growing root vegetables in high elevation that sschind posted than about 75% of what actually gets posted about on this forum lately.


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Sh0e
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2007 23:42


savannas get up to and exceeding 5' though. the nile and the tegu have the most vicious demeanor of that group, and the savanna will be pretty intolerable if not brought up well...

how old are all those animals?

a 65 gallon isn't big enough for the monitors and the iguana. i can see 1 tegu in there or a pair of amevias depending on which ones they are.


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Roxanne
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2007 03:02


I used to work in a pet store and it is simply amazing the idiotic things that people think are "ok" to do to their pet! Or there are the people that buy animals for the sole purpose of watching them eat other animals. I lied about snakes having mites more than once to avoid a sale to a doofus.

Steve-thanks for the great story!


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sschind
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2007 04:17


I'm assuming all these animals are young, he got them from someone other than me, but I think they are all at least 3 or 4 months old. Like I said, this is one of those guys who is going to mix whatever he feels like so its no use trying to tell him anything. I just keep trying to mix in stories about some idiot who is mixing inappropriate species and hope something sinks in. He was wondering a few weeks ago why his arrowanna ate his angel fish since they had been getting along so well for more than 6 months.


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Charlie
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2007 09:28


It's hard, I managed a fish and reptile shop for a long time. Some people know it all and just wont listen even after the demise of their pets.


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chrisberardi
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 21:49


I've seen a petshop mix an adult white tree frog with a few fire bellies in there and about 2 baby cubans, think there was others in there but i couldnt see them.

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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 21:53


Yeah, but see, the reason petstores have to mix a lot of their frogs and/or other pets is because of the limited room they do have in the pet shop. They can't divide the 100-some odd pets they do get in their store in different tanks, it's just not possible... Unless of course they have the ability and storage place for the animals.

So that's a given, What's not a given is the fact that most people IF not all un-educated humans think that just because a pet store has them mixed, and even after telling you it's not a good idea to mix due to different toxins and/or species they're wanting to mix.... they still do it.

That's the problem. People refuse to listen, then come crying back to whoever they got it from saying they purposely made their other pet die due to their stupidity.

Ok, I'm done :P


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KittenClaw22
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 22:24


Well, Christi the petstore can opt to only carry as many pets as they can support. We aren't talking about overcrowding, we are talking about mixing species.

Instead of having a white's, a cuban and a firebelly they can have all white's all cubans or all firebellies. They can keep a list of the species they can order and special order any species they don't have on hand. It wouldn't hurt their business, it would help it.

The fact is most petstores do not care about the animals, only the money.

There is no excuse or justification to ever mix any species with the highly toxic firebellied toad.


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chrisberardi
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2007 14:36


Pet store here is pretty bad.. Seen about 5 RETF in a 5 gallon horizontal and about 6-7 cubans in a 5 gallon also. Sucks to see that, felt terrible!! But i did buy 2 of the Cubans and gave them their own 20 gallon Would have got them all if i could.

snafu
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2007 14:44


I take into consideration the store as much as animal and price. We have one up here that reeks of ammonia outside the store. most of there animals are in kritter keepers (cricket sized ones) with no heat or light. I don't buy there and won't help out any friends that I tell not to.


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# Posted: 18 Oct 2007 15:36


I understand that Kitten, but I am just letting you know that most petstores yes may not care (or maybe in your area), but the ones in my area do. It may seem selfish that I think so, but I've had talks with alot of the mangers and I know for a fact they're not just in it for the money.

However, they can not put every frog in their own section, they do have limits on to getting pets into the store, and trying not to mix, that was my point.

If someone is going to buy a pet from a petstore, and they see the petstore is mixing, they'll think even after being told not to mix, they'll do it anyway.

People are ignornant, and will always be, until they realize why their pets are dying each time they do something they're not suppose to do.


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