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matthew polver
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2010 22:02


i never thought i would be so happy about maggots. came home today and my melonogaster colony has maggots. sorry from the last post, i meant melonogaster, not hydei. now i know there was something about 2 weeks, but i forgot what that was for. is that how long till they turn into fruit flies? how long they breed or something? and if not, how long till they turn into fruit flies? oh and my regal horned is not eating. it te 4 crickets when i first got him, but now, nothing. i tried a bunch of stuff (crix, meal worms, sugar ants .) but he is eating nothing. he is also sleeping alot of the day. man i wish chad didn't get him. but on the bright side i have a desert setup i got for free. maybe i'll get into leopards or something. thanks, matthew

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# Posted: 20 Sep 2010 23:37


You should keep the cultures no more then one month. The flies might keep producing after a month, but you will start to run into mould or mite problems.

I do believe that after the first week, you should be able to see maggots in the culture, and in the second week, the maggots should be pupating and turning into flies. I find that the melos will reproduce twice in a month, where the hydei will reproduce only once per month.

Make sure you have all the supplies you need, because you will want to make up a few new cultures when the flies hatch.

When I first got my dart frogs, I was told that I should keep 5-10 cultures on hand for feeding. So I usually make up 2-6 cultures every week. I breed both the melos and the hydei.

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# Posted: 21 Sep 2010 01:06


how many did you start out with sandy? will starting with one culture be enough to create enough cultures for 3 froglets or so? or should i get more cultures to start with?

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# Posted: 21 Sep 2010 01:46 · Edited by: jesse kooiman


You can make a bunch of cultures Matthew. Usually you should add about 50 flies to get a culture going, but you can get away with less. Don't count each individual fly or anything! But all my cultures came from one starter colony. It depends how heavily you are feeding out of the starter culture. Make as many as you can. What kind of froglets? Try them on the horned lizard as well. Make sure his conditions are ok. JVK


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# Posted: 21 Sep 2010 01:51


I got my dart frogs about a year ago (6 auratus). I bought 2 Melo and 2 Hydei cultures to start with. Once the cultures arrived in the mail I made up new cultures because I didn't think that there was enough medium for them to produce properly in. (Kinda just enough to get them to their destination with out starving or to drown them in. The medium was really thick, it was a ballish-lump).

Anyways, I pretty much crashed all my cultures over the coarse of the summer. I had heating/cooling problems and a possible contamination from wild ff with my melos. Any ways, I just re-ordered 2 new cultures for Melos and 2 new cultures for Hydei. These cultures were awesome because they were right in the middle of their maggot/pupae stage. So from one Melo culture that I just got, I made up 6 new cultures plus I had a bunch that I can feed off to frogs.
So, right now, I have 18 fresh cultures, and some happy little frogs that have full bellies. The 18 cultures are a bit excessive I know, but I'm a little bit nervous about them crashing. It's always best to have extra, just in case some don't produce. The more you have, the better your chances are of salvaging flies in case something should happen.

will starting with one culture be enough to create enough cultures for 3 froglets or so?
When do you get your frogs? Personally I would start out with at least two, but I think I remember you saying that you will be getting the cultures before the frogs, so if you can get the existing culture to produce at least once before your frogs arrive, then you should be all good.

should i get more cultures to start with?
I would get an extra one, if your frogs are arriving really soon, that way, you can have one culture to feed off, and one to make your cultures with.

Are you able to get cultures locally where you live? how much do they cost at the pet shop?
We have one pet shop that will order them in, but they cost $25 each.
I can also order them in, but that only if I do a big order. It's cheaper in the long run because I order more things, but I end up spending more on the different options of buggies.

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# Posted: 21 Sep 2010 02:03


Are you able to get cultures locally where you live
yep i know you guys say not to buy from them but i got mine from underground reptiles, which is like 30 minutes from me. they are 10 dollars. i can techniquly choose when to get mine, i plan to get them from ben seigals, also about 30 minutes away from me. his store is the best smelling place i have ever been to! i don't know if it is becuase he just moved in or whatever. have a setup ready and everything. i know this is a little off topic, but is a ground cover of dirt on the bottom, a small layer of coco bedding, and leaf litter on top ok for darts? i saw so many different ground covers on dendroboard that i just decided this was best for me. i have a bunch of pothos and wandering jew in there, with 2 broms. if i were to do it over again, i would do a false bottom, great stuff background, and a water feature. maybe that's a project for the future.

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# Posted: 21 Sep 2010 02:12


25 bucks!!!!!!!!!

That's absolutely disgusting!

I have an interesting sidenote. A few months ago I had a problem with fliers. I had every intention of not using these to further my colonies. However, my local Petco suddenly quit stocking the FFs. Out of laziness etc. I decided to go ahead and make cultures out of my contaminated cultures and see what happened. I thought this would turn out bad, but after just about one generation I had eliminated all the fliers. I'm sure the heat caused them in the first place. I allowed all of the fliers to escape before I started the new colonies, but I would have figured the gene would have been dominant.

Also I've only had fliers with vestigial colonies, not wingless. JVK


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# Posted: 21 Sep 2010 02:26


Hey matt, get some hydroballs, gravel or something for a real quick drainage layer, doesn't have to be fancy. You won't regret it, and it will take you about 5 seconds.JVK


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# Posted: 21 Sep 2010 02:31


ok thanks jesse i'll do that

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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 00:09


ok added a small drainage layer. you can't really see it in the pic below. i wish november would come already! i see all these cool things like morilieti and goldens from ben and other stuff that i can't afford! in november i will finally get the money from my bar mitzvah! but i plan to get the darts this saturday with the little money i do have. i want to get 4, but need 14 more dollars. any ideas on how to make money in 2 days? also will vittatus be ok without a water feature? every tank i have seen for them has 1, and i only have 2 water bowls. any ideas on how to improve the enclosure? right now it has 2 bloms on the right, a bunch of pothos, a few wandering jews, a rock for ff feeding, and 2 water bowls. oh and i got my leaf litter from someone down the street. the tree had little acorns on it. any idea on what tree? is the leaves ok? also have some seagrape in there. thanks, matthew





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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 00:24


Looks dry as a bone Matt, is that a wire top? You'll need a glass top. A glass shop can cut you one for like 15 bucks. JVK


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matthew polver
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 00:29


i forgot to water it today. is the glass top to keep it wet or to keep in humidity?

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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 00:36 · Edited by: jesse kooiman


Both, gotta be real humid for darts. You can find some old glass or plexi lying around and cover the lid with that for a short term fix.JVK

edit but you don't wan't it soggy. that brom will rot on the ground like that. just lay its roots on a little hill of bark or something, and lightly cover with moss or bark or leaves.


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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 00:54


ok i'll probably use the front of a 30 gallon i managed to break with a propane tank . is a pile of coco fiber ok? that's what i have laying around at the moment. any idea on the leaf type? have stupid math hw to do, so that will be a project for 10 at night or 7 in the morning

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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 00:56


If there's acorns on the tree its oak, and is okey dokey. I think coco fiber is too fine and would hold too much moisture. JVK


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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 01:00


would cypress mulch work??

jesse kooiman
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 01:31


yeah that should be ok i think.jvk


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matthew polver
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 01:43


ok thanks jesse i'll get to work right now.

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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 02:21


ok done. when i took apart the broken tank i only got 1 drop of blood! usually my clumsy self has blood all over . i put the glass on top and put the hill in. do i bury the roots in the mulch or let it rest on top? i put it on top, but i can change it if i should. any other suggestions? will misting at 8:30 in the morning and 4:30 in the afternoon be enough? oh and how will i get air flow? can putting on the mesh top for say like once a week be enough airflow? i want to keep it as simple as possible and not get into the fan or anything if i don't need to.






jesse kooiman
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 02:36


That's way better. You can stick a penny in each corner for ventilation(might give too much ventilation though), but opening once or twice a day should do it. However, I have the glass shop cut corners out of the glass so I can manipulate humidity as I see necessary. A lot of times I have a screen top, put a plate of glass on top, and manipulate where it's at to control humidity, this is what I do for most frogs, but sometimes it doesn't work on the darts like I want it to (too dry). Looks good. JVK


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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 02:38 · Edited by: jesse kooiman


Oh, set the roots on top and lightly cover with substrate. JVK
And your misting schedule is ok too.


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matthew polver
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 02:43


ok taken care of. anything else i need to fix before getting darts?

jesse kooiman
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 02:49


Actually twice day may sog you out depending on what kind of top you decide on (misting wise) You'll have to play around with it. Looks good for darts in my book. (get, or make, a couple cocohuts) Good luck bud!JVK


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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 03:04


Good luck bud!
i'll need it, i really don't want to kill an endangered species (vittatus). i looked in pet supplies plus and petsupermarket and neither had coco huts. do you know if petsmart carries them? i have film canisters in there, but i just can't seem to find any coco huts! ill start out with this scedule and go from there as you said. well i'm going to bed. tomorrow is a half day, so i can be here to annoy you guys twice as much! . i found i'm on here alot more than i thought i would be. i was thinking maybe like once a weekend but i seem to be on almost every day! and ugggggh this regal is annoying me. jesse were you the one who had one? have anything that helped a bit for yours? i have tried a bunch of things and he is not eating! that's about it. jesse or whoever else leaves a comment i will read it in the morning. thanks, matthew

jesse kooiman
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 03:18


Just make your own coco huts. Hacksaw them in half, scoop out the goodies, and boil the "hut".

I had P. modestum, horned lizards are notorious, please give him an extra effort if you can. My modestum would really only feed heavily on a weird red ant species I could only find in the mountains. Give him some extra effort, please. Don't give up on the 'lil bugger just because he's difficult. Be sure to provide a layer of sand to overnight in. Try some different ants, a LOT of stuff will not eat sugar ants. Try pinhead crix, try to find some termites. Mist for hydration, he's probably very dehydrated. He might soak in a puddle too. Play with the heat etc. LOTS of hides. COVERED sides of the tank as well. If he ate at first and then nothing, then it's time for you to tweek every aspect of his environment in order to get him eating again. JVK


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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 17:52


ill try and make it when i get the chance. i am not giving up on the regal horned, just a little annoyed. going to try the ff when i get the chance, along with some type of ant my friend has on his tree.

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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 18:36


Vitattus normally dont lay in coco hut anyways. So I would not go out of my way to get them.

Black film cannisters is the way to go. Black film cannisters scattered about the tank


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matthew polver
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 20:00


oh ok that is what i did. will 3 be enough porkchop or should i scatter more around.

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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 21:01


The more the merrier I have 6 i think in my little 10 gal that I have my group in. I pull eggs about once a week from them if not more.

They have finally started producing good froglets that live for more than a month for me... It took them forever to get it right

I keep their tank extremely wet and they seem to breed better.


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matthew polver
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2010 21:55


I keep their tank extremely wet and they seem to breed better
i'll have to try that! my goal is to breed them. how many do you have? ill put more in now.

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