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Sandy_Bear
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2010 20:13


I was thinking about breeding some rodents as an alternate feeder item (treat) for some of my larger frogs. I was wondering which rodents make the better feeders? Example: Rats, Mice, Degues, Gerbils, Hampsters, etc... Or are they all the same; high fat.

This isnt' something i've decided to do for sure yet, just reserarching so far, breeding, houseing, diets, etc...
I have a buddy at work that has a snake and she's said that she'd be more then happy to take any "extras' off my hands.

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# Posted: 7 Mar 2010 20:18


None.. Rodents aren't good for them.. Just my 2 cents .. But white lab mice work just fine ..


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kerokero
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2010 00:15


Rodents aren't good feeders for the majority of frogs kept as pets, what frogs in particular were you looking to feed them to? Only frogs that are naturally eating vertabrates in the wild really should ever be fed rodents... with larger frogs that are still invertabrate feeders, that's when you look into larger roach species to feed out. Let us know what you're looking to feed an we can give better recomendations!

The differences in vertabrate and invertabrate diets are more complex than just high fat content - just think about the face that invertabrates have chitin exoskeletons while vertabrate feeders typically have calcium based internal skeletons! Totally different nutritional values!

Another thing I recently learned from a snake person... evidently rat pups have different nutritional value than mice of similar sized, because of their young age they haven't developed their skeletons as much as the mouse and that can actually influence the snakes!


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Sandy_Bear
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2010 02:58


I have a WC American Bull frog. He is still small, but is growing quickly. I got him second hand from a lady on Kijiji (Craig's List). I do believe she got him as a tadpole from a buddy of hers that works at a local bait shop. They get bull frog tads caught in their traps sometimes.
I also have a Dwarf Pixie, Fantasy Pacman and Ornate Pacman. These frogs would only get them maybe twice a year if i go with the feeder rodent idea.
The big frogs i want to get in the near future, Cane Toad & the Giant Pixie frog.

The feeder mice would mostly be a feeder item for the American Bull frog. Not his sole source of food tho. I have a Dubia Roach colony that is just starting. At the moment he is eating crickets, superworms and this basement spider that my boyfriend saved me from last night...it was huge.

I was thinking maybe once a week he could have a mouse pup and the rest of the week he could have roaches, superworms, etc...
I'm not sure if this is too often though. I know Pacmans they say no more then 1 per month. But Bullies eat all sorts of thing in the wild and just devour everything in sight
And a bit later in the spring i'm also going to be ordering some Madagascar Hissing Roaches for a feeder colony.

I was at the pet shop pricing out what i would need to house them and it was adding up quite quickly.
I've also been watching some "how to breed your own rodents for food" type uTube videos and it seems to be more trouble then its worth. As i don't think i'll be using up nearly as many rodents as would be produced.
I'll probably just set up another roach colony in the end.

Sh0e
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2010 05:34


Personally, I feel that feeding off baby rodents should be avoided whenever possible. Pinky mice and rats are lumps of fat really, they have tiny weak bones and not much muscle. They're only good for rolling around and drinking milk. Hopper mice or mice with open eyes have much more meat on their bones so the quality of the protien is leaner. This is just how I feel though.


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FwoGiZ
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2010 06:19


once a week? WAY TOO MUCH imho... because of what shoe and everyone else said
in fact, the ONLY reason why you would want to feed a rodent, is pretty much only for your own fun... it has no benefic side for the frog so twice or thrice a year is the most I would give my frog rodents

dubias are from far the best staple food you can give most of the frog you stated
I beleive most of the pacman veterans here will all tell you that 1 mouse / month is too much!
maybe you wanna try fishing bait earthworms? they re easy to find in summer time (corner shop, wallmart) and they re pretty fun to watch get devoured! not good as staple, obviously, but I beleive they re good as side food, to diversify their diet
good luck with the ouaouaron ;)


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Sandy_Bear
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2010 13:06


I buy night crawlers quite often actually. I get them from walmarts almost year round, at about $5 for 20. There is also a bait shop that i can get them from in town, year round, for $40.00-50.00 for 500. My big frogs and my fish really enjoy these.

The more i've been thinking about breeding mice/rodents, the more it is seeming not worth my while, i'm going to end up with thousands of feeder mice that won't be getting used. I do believe that mice can end up with new litters of babies every 3 weeks, and every litter can have around 15 pups in it.

We have never feed any of our frogs mice or other rodents yet. It is something i've always considered to be "junk food" for them. So i've decided against the feeding of mice for sure, and to set up additional roach colonies in the near future. The whole mouse breeding operation will probably cost over $100 just to set up. Which would cover the cost of a new colony of feeder roaches.

k412
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2010 22:06


I wouldn't breed any to feed to my frogs. I do give my Pyxie and pacman rat fussys, f/t.
I only feed them 2-3 times a year, this past year only twice. I have given my whites pinkys before but that was after I got him and he was really thin and in bad shape. Iagree that they are just fat, no real nutritional value to them at all.


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kerokero
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2010 02:02


Yeah - while popular to feed them too none of those frogs need them. Even if they did, f/t mice would be the way to go. Honestly tho, when most of those frogs eat vertabrates they aren't eating mammals, they are often eating other frogs and the like... very different nutritionally. Having a good staple (roach of the appropriate size) and proper nutritional dusting will provide for very healthy animals.

I'd scrap the superworms too, not a fan of feeding them to thinks that don't actively crunch the shells (like lizards do). Earthworms would be great, and other nice soft feeders like silks and tomato worms would be fun treats as well - fatty but that's why they'd be treats ;)


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Sh0e
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2010 02:38


The best staple diet is debatable, but roaches are a very good choice.

I've been amused by the idea of feeding an extra fatty food to a thin animal. I would think that a thin animal is one that you absolutely want eating the healthies foods available. I know the idea is to restore the fat reserves, but the animal first needs to restore it's muscle mass and giving it a large helping of fat isn't going to be as beneficial to that end. I know it's conventional knowledge, but I have disagreed with it for a long time. Just my 2 cents.


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kerokero
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2010 03:05


Not sure where that thought came from, but I do agree with it. I think the fat thing comes from the idea that it would be used much like the fat reserves of the animal, energy to keep everything running. Usually with skinny animals you'd want to do many small meals of healthy foods (big meal of anything could actually do more harm than good!).

Doesn't seem like fatty is the way to go for much of anything is it?


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