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kerokero
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 17:06


I'm a huge fan of using roaches for food items for those frogs you can get to eat them and just wanted an expanded conversation on who likes what and why.

I'm a big fan of B. lateralis since I can bowl feed them, the little guys hatch out at 1/8th inch (but more like 3 times the mass of a hydei), and they lay egg cases so I can easily hatch them seperately and have them sorted by size like I do with crickets. They are fast as sin, but that actually is a good thing since you KNOW they will get a frogs attention! Downers are usually to the occassional escapees, and what to do with extra adult males if you only feed out small ones.

I've also done the green banana roaches... similar small size, but glass climbers (that's a big issue for me since I can't confine them easily), I don't remember if they were fliers or not (kept them in FF containers), juvies were big into hiding in the substrate. Lateralis was a better fit for me.

I also keep B. gigantea, but more as "pets" than feeders... I no longer have any critter that eats the extra larvae (had a bearded dragon) and certainly don't have anything that eats the 4" adults! lol might be a reason to get a fat frog, I think they'd be great but they are low production live bearers that need a nice substrate to hide in. Have fed juvies and even subadults to horned frogs which were great size wise without being an overly fatty vertabrate.

What roaches do you guys/have you guys used, and what are their pros and cons?


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Joseph Jenkins
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 17:26


I keep:

lateralis: Pros-breed fast, small, don't climb
Cons-fast

Lobsters: Pros-slower than lateralis, meatier than lateralis, breeds faster than lateralis
Cons-Climb

Dubia: Pros-large, don't climb, breed fast
Cons-none


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 18:24


Dead ones! In Florida that is how I like them

Michelle Houseman
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 19:04


That's how I feel. After living in FL. I CANNOT, COULD NOT, NEVER, EVER have roaches in my home


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wickerstone
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 19:15


In Maine....we welcome them, because we know they couldn't survive OUR winter. I like dubias myself. Michelle.....I didn't know you lived in Florida??? How long did you stay there?


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Michelle Houseman
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 20:29


I lived in Homestead when I was 21, I was a cocktail waitress. Here I am in FL.



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wickerstone
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 21:43


Whistle....whistle..... Yeah I see the tropical plants in the background and the 80's huge belt buckle that was so popular. Nice!


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 22:17


Dam! Wow!

Tony C
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2009 22:39


I have a lateralis colony, but use them mostly for my reptiles. My red eyes will not eat from a bowl, and aren't aggressive enough feeders to snag them all right away, so they wind up burrowing into the substrate. My firebellies and pacific tree frogs snatch them up pretty quickly, but even they miss one now and then.

kerokero
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2009 02:35


Getting tired of the BS messages showing up again *sigh*

I actually know how you florida peeps feel having worked in some places with nasty roach issues... luckily roaches where I have lived have been limited to wood roaches that randomly wandered in (I lived deep in the woods and they were great froggy snacks). The cockroaches are why I can't stand the ones that climb glass... besides the annoyance of making sure they don't get out... especially problematic with small species whose nymphs can actually walk over the gels GRRRRR.

Haha, but Joseph, size may not be a pro with Dubia! Depends on the frogs ;) The lateralis nymphs are so nice for mantella but dubia nymphs are too large for them. The lateralis are basically the roach version of crickets... variety of sizes are perfect for my collection, but they do have one minor setback (speed rather than size) but much like crickets and FFs, I think it's a matter of learning to handle them (a bit of a learning curve I guess!). If I kept fat frogs and larger treefrogs? Dubia would probably be awesome...

What are you all feeding these guys to, and at what size? I'm interested in not just species used, but what they are fed to and how. I'd eventually like to write and article but I have so little experience with many of the other roaches after figuring out what is good for me.


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FwoGiZ
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2009 06:40


I only have dubias
Pros: easy to care for, sizes ranges from 1/8' to 2.5', no climbing,crying, stinking, biting, no substrate needed

Cons: dont move enough, likes to hide in substrate, need to be bowl fed

Kero: I have no mantellas, but my spring peepers are quite small and they really enjoy newlyborn dubias!
My cranwell, tomato, WTFs, and spring peepers are all eating dubias... Im trying to make my greenback frog, emperor scorpion, RETF, red walking frog, and golden gecko to eat some but I have some new animals and some other that just dont want to eat them and I think that is because the dubias dont move enough!
I am planning on getting mostly big tree frogs, and some p.terribilis which I think will enjoy dubias

oh yeah another cons for ALL ROACHES; THEY RE GODAMN HARD TO FIND IN CANADA! ;p


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Michelle Houseman
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2009 07:05


I'm not even sure any of my frogs except Kila would even eat roaches, they all seem so picky. I tried to give my wtfs worm(wax, earth) and no go.


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FwoGiZ
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2009 07:11


One of my WTF will eat anything, anywhen, anywhere... it would eat my finger if it could! I even managed to give it an adult dubias but it had such a hard time eating it that I never did that again;p

wick, you think dubias will die from our cold winter? i think they would just freeze, and wake up next spring;) tough guys


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Sh0e
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2009 07:31


We need a FL beach bikini picture Michelle. That picture could have been taken with fauna, like Home Depot.

I liked all of the mentioned roaches, and gigantea, orange heads, and hissers. Hissers were great to feed to beardies and monitors with a great chrunch sound as they chewed on them.


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Michelle Houseman
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2009 15:54 · Edited by: Michelle Houseman


Shoe- I'd have to go to my Mom's as she has all my FL. photo's. This was the only one without my ex in it. That is the reason I have it. Not sure the hubby wants to look at my ex I did spend all my weekends in Keywest and my first job was a Winn Dixie cashier. I remember calling my Mom crying at the first cockroach I saw. Looked like it could carry a bus around.


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Michelle Houseman
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2009 19:32


Are there any roaches that are escape proof that frogs like?


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Sh0e
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2009 04:46


Shucks...

Dubia are probably your best bet. Though for larger frogs gigantea are pretty slow, and the nymph sizes are fine for something like a pacman or whites. I used lobsters for large toads.


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bschwinn
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2009 05:59


ShOe, Shucks? Words from your Appalachian heritage?

Sh0e
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2009 06:20


heh, i guess a rolling stone does pick up some moss.


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kerokero
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2009 20:16


Roaches are like most other food items.... the less escapees with the more effort you put into making sure they can't get loose (breeding, feeding, trasnporting, etc), but ever once and a while one will get loose... it just happens. This is also why most of them tend to be tropical species, so as long as you don't live in the tropics/subtropics (like florida, which is why florida is not pet roach friendly) they should dessicate pretty fast and/or freeze to death eventually.

Lateralis are a non-flying, non-glass climbing roach (which makes it much easier to contain!) but I still put lids on their tanks since I've heard of some people having males get out. The container is one that is just about air tight, but I cut a massive hole in the lid for air flow and what not, with screening on it. Babies are hatched and raised in FF culture containers and I either feed them out or toss them into another bin with a lid like the adults. When fed out they are only fed to frogs I know will eat them, with larger frogs I try and tong feed, and others I try and bowl feed... but even contained to a bowl they can be helped out of the dish by the frog via an arm or what not... so then you want to make sure the tank will keep the roach in it too! The frogs I feed them to tend to be very good at hunting loose ones down... I shuffle the leaf litter on a regular basis when doing head counts and that's usually when any still in the tank get noticed and eaten

I've had few issues with these getting loose, and my housemates have yet to figure out I'm raising roaches ;)


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Beardo
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2009 20:37


I've never had luck with the lateralis.....I've bred about 10 different species of roaches, and they're the only ones to ever give me trouble.

I prefer Lobsters for everyday feeders....they're super prolific, decent amount of meat to them and they come in a wide range of sizes for just about any small/medium sized herp.

I don't mind that they climb....it works well for arboreal animals.


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