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Iris
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# Posted: 7 Dec 2009 04:40 · Edited by: Iris


What size dubias should/can a 2 inch dwarf pixie frog eat??

Sh0e
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# Posted: 7 Dec 2009 05:03


Whatever he will eat. ;)


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kerokero
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# Posted: 8 Dec 2009 01:56


Can - whatever they will fit into their mouths, which includes shoving with their forelimbs to get it in.

Should... I'm not as sure but was told at one point to try a roach that is the as long as the fat frog's mouth is wide. This is conservitive in size (they can take it much larger) but evidently a good "smaller" sized meal that definately wouldn't be to big? Not a rule I use with other frogs, but has served me well with baby pixies and pac mans.


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# Posted: 8 Dec 2009 03:28


I use the distance between the eyes for tree frogs. With the fat frogs I tend to go with as long as the mouth is wide, but if your feeding off something like dubias there's not much worry as long as you don't do anything too drastic.


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Iris
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# Posted: 8 Dec 2009 05:53


Hahaha.. I see. Do you guys know of a good way to feed the dubias? I heard they are able to dig into substrate.. I use EcoEarth and don't want them buried before my frog can get to them.

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# Posted: 8 Dec 2009 11:47


People suggest tongs. I never used them myself. I kept dwaf pixies in 5.5 or 10 gallon tanks. For a mini-fat frog they are fairly active and very food aggressive. I never had a problem with food eluding my guys. You can feed him in a seperate container too, or just drop 2 or so at a time in the tank so he can focus his hunting. Still though, I would feed 'em, they'd eat them and then stare angrily at the pacmans who still had bugs crawling around their tank. Or maybe they were hungrily eyening the pacmans...


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kerokero
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# Posted: 8 Dec 2009 20:18


Or waiting for either to come close enough for them to go after them.... yummy... I believe they like frogs for dinner just as much as pac mans do don't they?

Even tho as babies they may be more active hunters I'd still start practicing the tong feeding if that's what you want to do in the future. Having them learn it means food when they are the most aggressive feeders is a lot easier than trying to get them used to it when they aren't (why you shoving that thing in my face man?!). It is up to you... Shoe doesn't mind them running around since they don't last long with his, but I don't like feeders running around the tanks and tend to bowl feed or tong feed all my larger critters. Obviously tong feeding or bowl feeding FFs just doesn't work well

If you have problems with them not getting eaten soon after they are put in the tank like Shoe, I'd go ahead and tong feed. Sometimes it's just a matter of how the tank is set up... if the food can hide easily, I'm more inclined to bowl or tong feed. Bowl feeding (popular with roaches) is more for active hunters, tong feeding can be either for active hunters or sit and wait predators like the fat frogs.


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# Posted: 9 Dec 2009 02:23


I should say that my fat frogs tend to have pretty simple enclosures. Water dish and cocofiber. I would attach some fake leaves half way up on the tank to the glass, as long as the feeder can't climb the glass they can't hide in the plant that way. And it gave the frog a shady place to plop down if it felt like.

Not all roaches are created equal though. Lateralis you almost have to bowl feed, or you might be tearing apart a 200 gallon monitor enclosure that has become a nother lateralis breeding container...


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kerokero
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2009 20:35


My problem is basically that the roaches I have would all love the tanks I would be feeding them into would turn into roach colonies if not careful (all three species would disapear into the substrate and live very happily). Thus they always either get tong fed or bowl fed so I know none were running loose! I also don't let larger crickets run around for similar reasons.

I take it dubias just don't burrow much? I use lateralis instead of dubias since they fit my size needs better (as well as green bananas and the giant cave roaches).


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# Posted: 13 Dec 2009 23:40


Dubia are a bit dumber, they can't climb well and aren't nearly as fast. I kept my substrate pretty compact by adding sand, most roaches wouldn't burrow into it as easily as a pure cocofiber substrate.

Lateralis are crazy fast and excellent climbers and i've seen some fly short distances. They were good feeders for desert geckos and lizards, or my breeding rachs that were on carpet substrate with lay boxes.

I did have to tear apart a huge nile monitor exhibit once though because of lateralis. Friggin pain in the arse.

I liked the hissers and gigantia roaches too. You should expand your collection. Lateralis breed like mad and are great for huge quantities of food. But it's fun to have a ton of roaches, or is that just me?


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kerokero
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# Posted: 15 Dec 2009 03:07


Yeah I adore my Blaberus giganteus/giant caves and they were actually the roaches that made me like roaches More pets than feeders Not a fan of hissers... more most glass climbers for the most part. I don't think I'll be keeping the bananas for much longer, they drive me bonkers since they are climbers.

The lateralis are definately fast... but the lack of ability to climb glass makes them relatively easy to handle for me - it's the climbers I have issues with. I've made sure they only go to frogs that definately eat them so I haven't had too many issues... they usually get hunted down if they get out of the shallow bowls, and TFs get deep bowls so it's rare they get out. I'm a bit of a control freak with them tho for the same reason you mention the niles ;)

It's cool that the dubias are so much more mellow, but they are just too big as nymphs where the lateralis are great.

What other roaches have people been using as feeders?


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Sh0e
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# Posted: 15 Dec 2009 06:34


Not roaches, but I did use some isopods too. You need a big group going, but they're great for smaller frogs like darts.


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kerokero
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# Posted: 15 Dec 2009 06:39


Haha yeah, there are definately some that LOVE them! I have the dwarf whites, and my epipedobates and mantellas keep the populations really, really low in the tanks! Good thing I keep a master culture...


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