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kckstrt
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# Posted: 17 Nov 2009 19:02


Hi guys, this one is a two part-er...

1. I bough a horned frog about a month ago, and read that due to his size, i should be feeding him 3-4 small crickets every 4 days. For some reason, he refuses to eat these little guys, but is more than happy to munch down the large ones. I'm still trying to get him onto the little guys, but is it ok to feed him one large one in place of the 3-4 little ones?


2. I received a gorgeous blue baby WTF (about 4 months old) yesterday as a gift. My last White's was significantly older when I got him, so I'm not sure how much/often I should be feeding this one, or what size crickets? He is about 2.5 inches in length currently. Is there any standard procedure regarding how mcuh I should feed him now, and when I should change it as he grows?

Thanks in advance!!!


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Sh0e
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# Posted: 17 Nov 2009 23:53


1. Yes, even very young pacmans you can feed 3/4" crickets. I never fed a pacman anything smaller than 1/2" crickets.

2. He is a good size already. You can feed him every other day about. If he's already so large I wonder how much he was fed already. Adult whites I typically kept on a every 3rd day feed cycle. Sometimes I add an extra day to keep them agressive with food. If I'm going to offer new food I will skeep a feed or so to get them extra agressive.


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# Posted: 18 Nov 2009 00:25


I offer food daily to growing froglets, and let them pig out. It's how they work in nature. Then as they age you cut back on the food intake, because they are not growing as fast. The diet you described does not sound like enough food to me. That would only be 2 crickets a week. I would also offer them more than just crickets. Maybe some nightcrawlers, roaches, krill, etc. The more the merrier. How big is your horned frog?


If I'm going to offer new food I will skeep a feed or so to get them extra agressive.


Very good idea. I have done this with a picky ACF in the past, and it works great.


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kckstrt
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2009 07:14


He is about an inch and a half in diameter. I have tried to offer him food more often but he doesn't always seem to want it. What would your recommend I feed him at this size?

I'm going to get them other food too, just haven't had the opportunity yet.


Current frog friends:
*Nimai - WTF, b. 2009
*Ella - Tiger legged monkey frog, b. 2011
*Enzo - Tiger legged monkey frog, b. 2011

Gone but not forgotten
*Umi - WTF
*Dmitri - Albino horned frog
Jawsofafrog
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2009 07:39 · Edited by: Jawsofafrog


What would your recommend I feed him at this size?
Feed winged crickets are fine, to the smaller crickets. Even one Night Crawler will do your Horned Frog well.


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kckstrt
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2009 18:50


OK. So to recap - I can feed the WTF right now every other day approximately 3 crickets, and as he gets older cut back to feeding him every three days. As for the horned frog, how many crickets should I be feeding him? Should I be feeding him in his terrarium or in a separate feeding area (I had been doing this for a little while, last night I dumped 3 crickets in with him to see if he would go for them. At least one remains, but I haven't done a headcount yet).

One more question: For food like nightcrawlers, waxworms, etc. What is the best way to present them to the frog? I have had some failure in the past trying to get them to eat them.


Current frog friends:
*Nimai - WTF, b. 2009
*Ella - Tiger legged monkey frog, b. 2011
*Enzo - Tiger legged monkey frog, b. 2011

Gone but not forgotten
*Umi - WTF
*Dmitri - Albino horned frog
Jawsofafrog
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2009 23:37 · Edited by: Jawsofafrog


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClbPkAEfCpI This is my frog eating Night Crawlers. The best way is to present them on tongs or what I use chopsticks. You can feed as much as the frog wants to eat in 10 mintues. 1-2 Night Crawlers always fills up my Horned frogs.


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kckstrt
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2009 06:50


Great! I will try that if I can find them - I dont think the place I get my food sells them, but I know they have waxworms and mealworms and other tasty treats. So perhaps I will try with that!

Thanks!


Current frog friends:
*Nimai - WTF, b. 2009
*Ella - Tiger legged monkey frog, b. 2011
*Enzo - Tiger legged monkey frog, b. 2011

Gone but not forgotten
*Umi - WTF
*Dmitri - Albino horned frog
Jawsofafrog
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2009 07:28


Find a local Bait shop. That is where to buy Night Crawlers, great prices at most places. Just yellowpages.com and search.


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kerokero
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2009 03:38


The pac mans are sit and wait predators that are wired a bit differently, so they follow different rules than what you're used to with the whites. They like big things! Most of the people I know that have these guys feed off tongs even as little babies, and waggle the food item right in front of their noses to get them to lunge at it. One big food item is fine, and will suite them longer than you'd think (they don't eat as often as other frogs the same size - probably because they are less active and eat such big things!). Whites, on the other hand, like a few smaller food items and are more than happy to hunt them down

Do all you fat frog keepers pull them out of the tank to feed them? I've never pulled them out to feed when I've worked with them, but they were also in conditions where they shouldn't have had issues with eating substrate, and it was only a handful of animals.


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Jawsofafrog
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2009 05:23


Fatfrogs eat well in their terrariums well. Just use tongs like you mentioned. Or a dish works well too.


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kerokero
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2009 05:25


And not fingers... cuz they like fingers. Mmmmmm fingers...


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brandon disilvestro
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2009 02:20


My pacman frog hasnt eaten out of the tongs since the very first cricket i gave him!! He wont touch them out of tongs now, i still try for 2 or 3 minutes every night!! I drop 2 crickets in when i go to bed, then they are both gone in morning, hes pooping regularly also! Should i keep this way or should i be feeding him more than 2 a night. BTW they are large crickets


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kerokero
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2009 02:31


There is an art to using tongs... at first you have to make the cricket act as much as possible to just a loose cricket it would normally hunt, and do it where the tongs are as unobvious as possible. I've had to start by having a cricket held just by both the hopper legs and not actually part of the body (so the cricket is active and twitching around) and usually try and have the cricket walk out from behind a leaf or rock or something, where the leaf or rock may mostly block the frog from seeing the tongs.

Eventually the frog won't care if it sees the tongs if the cricket is moving right (opening up the tank and sticking your hand in there often makes them play "you can't see me if I don't move!"), and then it will eventually associate the tongs with food. Practice, practice, practice! This is more to make your life easier in the future than something that HAS to happen perfectly as of now, it can take months.


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brandon disilvestro
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2009 05:08


Alrighty, i was waving the cricket, had him by 1 big jumper leg, and my pacman wouldnt budge, then the cricket like broke his leg off fell, took 2 steps and BAM my pacman gobbled him up!!! Ill keep trying but at least hes eating


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kerokero
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2009 05:39


Haha, closer! Yeah the crickets have the tedency to drop the leg, which is why I learned to hold both. But at least you know the cricket isn't running around the tank


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