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Alison Hori
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# Posted: 5 Nov 2009 19:50


I got one a couple of weeks ago and she is still not eating at all...not one bite since she came here and no pooping after her second day. I have dusted crickets in there (in a bowl now...woo hoo..what a great idea..they can't hide or bite her now) all the time...but she is not paying them any attension. The first week, I had a couple of superworms in there and a dubia but she has not going for any of it.

Is there anything I can do to try to get something into her....or any food that she might find irresistable? When I first got my bearded dragon, she has problems eating as well from the relocation stress and we finally got her some phoenix worms that she just loved and that got her started eating (not the vet told me she was too chubby-LOL) so I guess I am looking for something that might work the same way for the frog. I have no clue how to force feed or anything like that but I am willing to try whatever. I really am hoping she won't starve herself .

BTW, she does move around especially at night and seems to be bathing daily in her water bowl. During the day, she is mostly burying herself in her coconut bedding hidden under the shade of her log/fake plants. Temp where she is hiding is about 73 and temp on the exposed surfaces of the cage are closer to 80.

Thanks for any help for poor Sticky!

Alison


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Brian Cadman
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# Posted: 5 Nov 2009 21:08


Only force feed as a last resort. A wtf that buries is generally an unhappy one. Whats the tank size and humidity? Hows the air exchange?

Jennifer
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# Posted: 5 Nov 2009 23:11


1 part unflavored pedialyte to 9 or 10 parts water (I don't remember which of those) is reputed to be an appetite stimulant.

You might try varying the temperatures around the tank somehow to see if she seems more comfortable in another situation. The temperatures sound ok but maybe she prefers a little cooler at least for half the day.

Are the lights on all the time? Some frogs really have a tough time with that.


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Alison Hori
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 04:24


I am sure she is an unhappy frog but I am trying as hard as I can to make her happier! That makes me sad to know that a burying frog is an unhappy frog...she was on her log at PetSmart and stuck on the wall...I can't imagine why she was so much happier there than at my house.

Her cage here is 12 X 12 X 18 which is what was recommended to me in a couple of different places but now I think might be on the small side for her. I would really like to get her settled a bit before I get her something else. I have been tweaking her terrarium based on replies to my posts here and in other places as well every few days but I am messing iwth her as little as possible.

Right now, she has coconut fiber (EcoEarth, I think it was called) bedding several inches thick on the bottom of her cage (first she has repticarpet but the humidity was too low and then she had a green moss stuff that seemed really similar to this bedding but people told me this was better). She has two fake plants stuck to two sides of the terrarium, a piece of wood she can climb on and a large water bowl at all times. She has had crickets in there pretty much all the time since i got her...starting this morning I put the crickets in a glass bowl so they are not free roaming around her cage the way they were...one is missing from the bowl and I can't find it so I am really, really hoping she ate it. I have also put a superworm and a dubia in there but she didn't touch either. I do a 12 hours light cycle with a 40 watt bulb...it is about 80 degrees in her terrarium iwth the bulb on at the exposed age and about 73 degrees where she is hiding. It is about 72 degrees at night. Today I also got a Under the tank heater for her..the 1-5 gallon size...I stuck it on her terrarium and it is 101 degrees just opposite the heater...I have not seen her near it though. The top of the cage is screen and the exoterra cage has vents just under where the doors open up. Humidity is about 50%.

How do I try to mix up the temps in her cage?

Can I do any harm with the pedialyte? If it won't hurt her, I don't see why not to try that...I am nto sure I have ever seen unflavored though..but I will go and look tomorrow!

Thanks so much for all the help. I am so sad that she is so stressed out.

Alison


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Jennifer
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 05:40 · Edited by: Jennifer


101 degrees where????

That kind of temperature should not be anywhere near your frog. Don't let it get above 78 or 80 (just in case there is a tendency for it to go up, you want to have some leeway).

I've been putting a few drops of pedialyte in my frog's water the past few days because she is proably having trouble regulating electrolytes with whatever disease she has. She seems better on it. I usually tried to refrain from putting it in but she's been sick and has seemed ok on it.


FrogPrincess
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 05:43


She could be burrowing because it's too hot.
Have you tried nightcrawlers?
If she has not eaten at all you could try a live pinky mouse to get her going.
Good luck.


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Alison Hori
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 06:10


I don't think it is too hot. The terrarium was 73 by day which people told me about a week ago was too cold so I added a slightly higher wattage light. Now it is 81 when the light is on on the ground directly underneath the light ....it is 73 in the shaded area under the log and fake plant where the frog seems to hang out by day. I think if I get rid of the light, the temperature where she is hanging out will be pretty much unchanged.

The 101 temperature is on the side of the glass right where the under the tank heater that I stuck on the side of her cage is located. Several people told me they did this with the UTH so I got the smallest size for her and stuck it on her cage this morning but it felt really hot to me so I measured iwth my temp gun. I haven't seen the frog anywhere near it and I don't think it is really warming up the cage other than at the local spot but it is sure hot there. Do you all have the UTH stuck to the side of the cage....is it unnecessary? Could it hurt her being this hot? I suppose if she needs it but this is too hot, I could go and buy a dimmer, right?

As for her eating...I have tried crickets, dubia, superworms and mealworms. She has shown no interest in any of it except for the cricket which has gone missing today and I am hoping has been eaten. I have not tried nightcrawlers...I will pick up some of them and some wax worms tomorrow and see how she does iwth them, I guess. I really don;t wnat to do a pinky mouse...that grosses me out.

Oh, and I just checked on her now and she is high on the side of the cage...I haven't seen her like that much at all...she knocked the fake plant off the wall of the cage which is a bit of an issue, I suppose but I am just glad to see her not buried!

Alison

Alison


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Sh0e
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 08:02


101 is dangerous. Use a thermostat with it or write it off as a faulty UTH and complain to Zoo Med or whoever the maker is and see if you can get a new one.

Mid 70's to low 80's is a fine temp. They really are fine at a variety of temps no matter what others tell you. I know I'm not the only one that kept them in Rubbermaids with mesh over the tops. I didn't heat them though and they were fine.


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Jennifer
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 08:03 · Edited by: Jennifer


The activity sounds good.

Maybe other people just don't measure temperature right near the heating pad.

I think it's a little dangerous but I know the dilemma. My sick frog who is not going to be climbing around a lot is in that kind of setup right now.

I wouldn't want to keep that arrangement forever but if it made her climb around maybe it's doing some good. Let's see if someone else weighs in and has an idea about what to do.


FrogPrincess
Alison Hori
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 13:48


Yeah, I have been wondering if other people don't measure right where the UTH is stuck on the cage...it is just so easy to measure all kinds of different spots with the temp gun-LOL. It does feel really hot though....

Hmm.

Alison


Alison
4 kids, 1 White's Tree Frog, 1 Azurius Dart Frog, 1 PBGV Dog, 1 Hedgehog, 1 soon to be 2 Bearded Dragons, 1 Crested Gecko, 1 Guinea Pig, 1 Betta Fish.
Alison Hori
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 19:14 · Edited by: Alison Hori


I measured all around the cage today...I find spot from 71-81 in the cage and 99 against the glass. I have still not seen her near the hot glass but she does seem to be moving around, I haven't found the missing cricket and I am pretty sure I found a small poop...so I am getting a little bit more hopeful about her future.

Hmm.

Alison


Alison
4 kids, 1 White's Tree Frog, 1 Azurius Dart Frog, 1 PBGV Dog, 1 Hedgehog, 1 soon to be 2 Bearded Dragons, 1 Crested Gecko, 1 Guinea Pig, 1 Betta Fish.
Alison Hori
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2009 04:16


Not so optomistic now...she still hasn't been eating for real...my crickets finally ate eachother so I just have one left now...she ddn't touch the roaches or the meal worms...a huge nightcrawler (not sure if she can even eat that if she wanted to) and 5 wax worms in there now...I am not sure if hte wax worms are alive or dead though...they got refrigerated...is that the end for them?

Alison


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