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Alison Hori
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# Posted: 5 Nov 2009 06:29


So, I got two dart frogs at Repticon a little less than two months ago as well as three fruit fly cultures at different stages of production. I fed my frogs from those fruit flies up until about 2 weeks ago when I finally ran out. I didn't dust them with calcium or vitamins because I didn't know I needed to at first and then I didn't know how but all seemed great. Then I ordered a fruit fly kit from Josh's Frogs....and a week later, one of my dart frogs is dead and the other one still looks health to me but he is going after these fruit flies with much less enthusiasm that he did in the past. I have tried feeding him both dusted (though I am not sure I am doing it quite right cause I get a lot of the powder going into the viv and the flies sure seem to have a tough time getting themselves unburied from the powder-LOL) and undusted...and he just isn't going at them like he did before. Also, I purchased a kit thing so the food came with and containers....I made up one container of food and added a bunch of flies to it about a week ago and I don't see any eggs or larva in there...I added some more flies a couple of days ago as well just in case...but all I see so far are the flies in there....what do you all think? Should I keep trying iwth these flies or give up or what? I have a second container of producing flies that came along with my kit that I have no fed out of yet...I could switch to that one and see what happens...

Any thoughts? I am just so sad about my dart frog that died and trying to figure out what could possibly have happened and then watching my one I have left to see how he is so carefully...I would love to get one to replace the one who died but I won't do that till I am sure that everythign is OK in my viv and that I figure out what went wrong before.

Thanks for any help!

Alison


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macspoison
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 04:39


Ok, first keep your FF culture warm and it may help produce flies as soon as they are naturally ready. If kept to cool, it can stagger growth.

Also, depending on ingredients, temps, age and health of flies etc etc.. It CAN take a few weeks for your cultures to start up. If they are the smaller flies it can take 8-15 days to start showing maggots. Even longer for Hydei. I just started using Veg protiens, 1 tsp per culture and had Hydei maggots with in 5 days.

On to other things..

The frogs may be suffering from lack of vitamins etc and that's why one didn't make it. BUT, without being there, looking at your tank I would be only guessing.

When you tap your flies into your cup (I use a 32oz cup) have a SMALL amount of powder, for one frog you would only need enough to coat the container! That's plenty. You want them to just be dusted and no extra powder sitting in the cup.

I may have missed a few things, but I have to start packing and head to SC!

Good luck,
Mac


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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 04:53


Ha! As I posted this, you sent me an email!

I'm sorry Alison, I was not in Memphis at the Repticon Expo.
Mac


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Alison Hori
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 06:00


Thanks so much for your reply, Mac...and your e-mail. Bummer that you were not the person at Repticon but even bigger bummer that you don't have any plans to be down here any time in the future. I really, really wish there was a local source for stuff and help and more frogs!

My cultures are drosophilia...media is the stuff that Josh's Frogs sells without the yeast sprinkled on top cause my little packet of yeast seems to have gone missing-LMAO. I need to launch a hunt for it, I suppose.

Thanks so much for your explanation of the dusting...I have way too much stuff in there..I will take some out and try again tomorrow the way you describe..it sounds much easier than what I have been doing.

I have one more question though...should I be dusting with Hepavite and Calcium at the same time or seperately...and should the calcium be with or without d3..I have been trying with a mix of the vitamin and calcium at the moment and the calcium does have d3...is this correct?

Thanks so much for your help!

Alison


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Sh0e
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 08:04


I alternated dustings with the Herpavite and Calcium powders.


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macspoison
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2009 21:41


I do about 10 feedings with Herptivite and 1 or 2 with calicum. I do not mix the two. I may use D3 once a month but everyone does it differently. One thing you may want to consider is humidity. Also, water quality.

So I guess two things..
Mac


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Alison Hori
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2009 20:16


I mist at least once a day...often twice...feels really humid to me in there but I haven't measured...my humidity measure thing (acu-rite from Walmart) is in the White's cage at the moment cause that sweet frog is not eating much at the moment and is really worrying me even more than the dart. I guess I could spring for another 12.00 and get another one but I hate going to Walmart-LOL. I am using bottled spring water...different brands...is something else better quality? I used rain water at the beginning but then the drinking out of my collecting bowl so I gave up on that.

I tried your technique for the dusting with calcium plus d3 yesterday and it worked so much better than what I had been doing before...that was awesome!

So...just to be clear though...you do a dusting of something everytime...right? 10 of just heptivite, 1 of calcium, 10 of herpivite, 1 of calcium, 10 of herpivite, 1 of calcium plus D3...is that a typical month?

Also, do you have any UVB source for the frogs...I don't have anything and that worries me all the time...I don't know how to get it to them (now just him, I guess ) though with the glass top. I have just a normal walmart type plant tube style bulb on top but that is it...

I am still not so sure about my fruit flies...I don't see much sign of breeding in the culture I started a week or so ago and the super dense feeders I got about 2 weeks ago from Josh's seem to be dying off in big numbers and I am not sure how many I have left in there really...it was like they just got too dense or something. I am planning to start another culture today so hopefully I can keep it going...I really don't want to have to pay more shipping on fruitflies-LOL. Now...if you would just swing by Memphis on your way to one of your shows with a terrarium or two, some more frogs, some more flies and some lessons on everything I need to know...it is would be all good and I would stop bugging you all on this forum all the time-LMAO!

Alison


Alison
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# Posted: 8 Nov 2009 12:54


Ha! Your not bugging anyone on this forum and if you are hopefully they will pack up and move out.

The dusting plan sounds right. I don't miss a meal with the dusting unless I'm just tap'n out a couple cultures @ the show.

The lighting is simple, no UVB required.

The water you are using is another one of those opinion things. Some stay away from spring and some use it. I have seen both sides of the opinion and both collections/offspring etc. They both are fine. Who knew?! I use either distilled H20 for misting tanks or treated tap for soaking tanks, tads etc. The distilled cuts back on the glass foggy look.

I will be in Shepardsville KY in 2 weeks, find out how far that is from you and send me an email!
Mac


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kerokero
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2009 03:55


I dust every mean and rotate between herptivite, the repcal D3, and some mineral - so basically the same as mentioned. Assigning a day of the week for the supplements helps (it's friday, so calcium today!) but I dust calcium more often than Mac (1:7 or more like 2:5 since the mineral has some too). That slight variation is preference of mine, each person does it a touch differently - but the dust every time is a great practice.

There is little evidence that most PDFs need UVB, and I don't think the ones you got are any of the possibles. They don't even need fancy "full spectrum", just whatever light is needed to keep the plants happy (I like the cool white bulbs).

My water is conditioned tap water (dechlorimined/dechlorinated), with occassional mistings of distilled/RO water to clean up water spots in the tank and what not. Rainwater is probably the most ideal, but not always easy to get. I personally think spring water is a waste of money, but I also know my tap water pretty well and how to make it frog happy.

Fruit flies are a matter of practice! At around a week with melanogaster you should only be able to see larvae in the media if you look carefully. It's easiest to see them just at the top, with their little black heads moving. Keep making them weekly, keep practicing, and keep that little bugger of a frog happy. After a few months when you know the little tyke is happy, healthy, adn growing like a weed, then I'd say looking for another one may be a good idea. You honestly may want to wait until it's sexable so you know that you can get a frog that it will get along with.


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