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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 03:27


I am aquiring a deformed big eyed tree frog soon. He was born with no eyes. I already have one that is one-eyed. Any suggestions on feeding one with no eyes is appreciated. Also any suggestions for a name is greatly appreciated. My other treefrog is Lucky so that one is not available. Thanks for any advice.


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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 03:29 · Edited by: schlegelbagel


hopefully he will figure out how to catch prey. My cousin had a blind horse and she did just fine. Their other senses take over, like smell and hearing to make up for the lack of sight.


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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 03:58


Thanks Liz, It seems like he/she has been doing ok at the pet shop. I didn't know if I would need to hand feed he/she with tweezers. Well, hope fully I will get it this week and let ya'll know how their doing.


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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 04:00


maybe slower pray may be a key. Worms vs crickets? Talk to whomever was caring for the little dude at the store, and see if they used any tricks or if the frog can take care of itself.


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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 04:33


I would be very interested to know how things go with this frog in detail as I am interested in what role sight plays in prey acquisition vs other senses. Good Luck with it!

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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 04:33


Awwww Thats soo sad! I'm so proud of you for doing this!
That just made my day.. Honestly.. Its so sad to hear about deformed frogs or animals and or sick animals, and to hear of peopl actually going outa their way to take care of them and give them a good life! Thats Wonderful!
I'm sure he will addapt to his surroundings. Just keep an eye on him to see how well he hunts,etc. Maybe feeding him in a smaller area would be better.. but also if he knows his surroundings then he should be ok.
GOOD LUCK!




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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 04:45


Thanks everyone, I'll keep you up to date as things go along.


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spawn
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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 05:48


I hate to ask the obvious, but have you asked the previous owner how the frog was fed?

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# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 05:52 · Edited by: BIG HYDRO


I would try just tong feeding it by tapping the side of it's mouth gently and make a certain noise each time before you do this and maybe it will recognize that sound with upcoming food? Good luck.

Glad to hear that the blind horse did well for itself, but unfortunately, unlike a horse, frogs feed mostly from sight.


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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 01:55


I hate to be the bad guy, but I am one for survival of the fittest. If he can't feed himself, he can't feed himself.


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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 02:15


Yah its so very sad to hear about a deformed frogs. Down by our lake where i live the whole lake is all pollution its so sad. But the sadest part is that there al kinds of frogs there that are deformed like some of the bullfrogs have 3 legs,all kinds are just laying there dead. Last but not least one frog had a airsoft bullet in its head it wasnt dead but the bullet was in the frog

BTW im very happy to hear your taking theese guys in.


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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 05:19


I understand the "survival of the fittest" but to me personally, it changes when they are bred in captivity for pet shops. To be honest, a shop is not supposed to sell them when they are "defective" so they put them in a freezer to kill them. Supposedly, it is a painless death but when they can live a full life regardless, I don't understand why they kill them. That's why I choose to take them in. I guess I am a sucker for the unwanted Thanks again for everyone's support. I still haven't came up with a name for her, any suggestions?


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Al_frog
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 06:00


Melissa- I would say most if not all Big Eyed Tree Frogs are WC so I am wondering if you know for sure that it is CB and if not CB how did it survive this long and long enough to get caught? And are you sure it is a Big Eyed Tree Frog? Maybe we can see pictures. As you can guess from my earlier post I am wondering if some or many frogs use senses other than sight to get their prey. In my experience the BETF is active in the pre-dark and early dawn (even mid-day at times) not just in total darkness but other frogs seem to be active only under very dark conditions making me wonder how well they see then and how much they may depend on sound/hearing to aid their sight. Again, Good Luck!

spawn
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 07:04


Have you had luck feeding her yet? Have you asked the previous owner? As for a name, I would go with No Eyes Blind, or NEB for short. Or maybe Moses the Blind and Deaf crusader from Ethiopia. Just some names off the top of my head.

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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 07:28


Or, you could go with Stevie, Helen or Ray Sorry, but the obvious choices in my opinion, had been overlooked


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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 13:08


I have a frog thats had no eyes for 8+ months so I can help you

I hand feed her by taking her out of her tank and put her on the ground. she learnt very quickly that anything that touchs her foot or mouth after being handled is food.
I feed her mainly earthworms and also mealworms and small snails. i just put them by her front feet and soon as they touch her toe she catchs it no problem.

thats her eating a huge worm

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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 16:01


I would suspect that the frog in question is an import and that his eyes have been damaged in transport, if it were CB then the breeder would of done the responsible thing and put it out of it's missery.


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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 17:56


I am taking pictures of her now. I am beginning to question that she is a BETF, The markings are similar but Lucky looks a little different than her. How do I upload the photos. I read it in a post here once and now I can't find it again. They eat regular worms??? I was aware of the mealworms, but in that pic it looks like a large earthworm. What else can I feed them. The pet store I bought them at buys from a co. in CA, I assume they are captive bred because they both have been real docile and are clingy. I used to work at that pet store and they are not the most useful at information. They accidentally killed my husband's snake by suggesting a uv lamp. Which is good for most but not when the snake in question has no pigment. Learned that the hard way... Also, has anyone had problems with bugs that look like earwings showing up in the substrate? Currently I have them on fake grass because I don't know if those bugs could hurt them. I love frogs, but I am still learning about them.


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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 19:04


ok, the best I can do is give a link to my geocities homepage. It's not the best but not bad for a quick design. Let me know if you have any problems with the site.

http://www.geocities.com/melissa_gray1978/ melissasfrogpage.html


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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 19:10


Sorry, correct one sould be:

http://www.geocities.com/melissa_gray1978/melissas frogpage.html


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schlegelbagel
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 19:30


I like how you named her "frog"


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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 20:52


She seems to be feeding ok. I brought her home last night. Not many crickets are left today. Apparently, she eats them when they go near her mouth and touch her. Sometimes she gets just a leg, but she is kinda chunky so I think she will do fine eating. Anyone have a clue exactly if she is a BETF? I am going to load more pics of all the frogs on the site I posted earlier.


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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 21:22


kinda looks like a chubby frog to me..


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# Posted: 22 Oct 2007 00:29 · Edited by: Brunok9


Look like a chubby to me to...

Also, congrats for raising a handicapped animal! I'm glad there's people out there who really care about animals


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# Posted: 22 Oct 2007 02:18


Well, that is definitely a chubby frog, aka asian painted frog, kaloula pulchra.

http://allaboutfrogs.org/info/species/chubby.html
http://www.amphibiancare.com/frogs/caresheets/asia npaintedfrog.html

These are burrowing frogs and require 2-4 inches of substrate to burrow into. They will bury themselves completely. They are not tree frogs and should not be housed with tree frogs.

I have a couple of these and they really love wax worms. I just drop the worm right in front of mine and they snap it up like a fat kid on cake. If all else fails just drop the worm right by their nose.

These frogs are imported for something like $2 each. They are easy to breed, fast to breed and CHEAP. As a result they aren't much respected in the pet industry, they aren't captive bred, and they are basically crapped on by the importers.

Eye infections and impactions are very common in fresh imports. Your frog probably wasn't born without eyes. He probably had a terrible eye infection that he somehow pulled out of.

Just because he is alive doesn't mean the bacteria that caused the eye infection and subsequent blindness is gone. You could have infected all of your frogs by mixing this guy into your enclosure. I hope this isn't the case but it is always possible. It is always wise to put new acquisitions on quarantine until you are sure of their species and their state of health.

I suggest getting the blind frog out of your enclosure asap and into quarantine until you are sure he is well. Have a poo sample checked for parasites as these almost always have intestinal parasites right after import.

I have experience with this frog, also have pictures of mine if you want to see some other examples of this species to double check. My email is kittenclaw22@yahoo.com

Best of luck.


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# Posted: 22 Oct 2007 02:26


PS: Maybe I am missing something in this thread, and I don't have the time to go back and reread it. I was under the understanding that this frog was a newly acquired pet.

However, the date on your photos as displayed on your website say that the picture was taken in 2002.

I'm confused.


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Melissa Gray
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# Posted: 22 Oct 2007 02:46


The pics were taken today, I need to change the camera settings. I may go back and check at the store tomorrow. When I went the other day, I looked at them for 20 minutes and noticed him/her. Went back the next day and was in a hurry and late for work, I noticed 2 of them similar in shape/size and I thought I grabbed the BETF, I may be wrong, but if I paid 5.00 for a frog that was either deformed or sick, I think I got screwed on the deal because they are normally 5.99. Basically, I was going to pay their price because they couldn't sell it. So, I guess, I need to make sure I picked the right frog first and I need to make sure they get along ok.


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# Posted: 22 Oct 2007 02:50


They don't get along okay. That is a different species and they shouldn't go together. They shouldn't be together anyway because the frog has experienced an eye infection at some point and we can't guarantee that the frog is well until you observe it closely. I would suggest removing it as soon as possible, IE tonight, and put it in a cricket keeper or anything until you can get it into a quarantine enclosure. It isn't safe for that frog to be in with your healthy frogs. It could be cross contaminating your healthy frogs with bacteria or parasites or both.

By the way I am not trying to be impolite I am just expressing an unpleasant truth and I don't know a better way to say it.


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