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amyjk
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2003 16:20


I use cocnut husk because thats what I was told to use, Now my question is, repti bark is a no no because it is too big? Or because its more difficult for a frog to digest? And cocnut is easier? Because the coconut pieces are smaller and would seem like it would be easier for my frog to swallow. In my set up anyhow. I have also used jungle mix and bed a beast. Also, if anyone does this, how do you have feeder cups set up? Something easy and attractive (as far as attractive can be in this situation) thanks.


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Whitney
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2003 16:42


Once in my Marbled Gecko tank, I bought a cheap(and ugly) ceramic feeder bowl and used aquarium silicon and glued river stones and bark nuggets around it, making it much more pleasing to the eye. It actually looked like a small tree trunk. I'd show it to you, but I threw it away.
As for the substrate, too big and difficult digestion go hand in hand. I'm not familiar with ReptiBark, but the easiest way to figure it out is just see if it has solid particles that are small enought to be eaten by the frog. If yes, don't use it. I love Jungle Mix and Bed-a-Beast, and couldnt imagine switching over. If you want the substrate to be more realistic looking, toss in large bark nuggets and rocks. That usually works well. I hope that helped.


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mark
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2003 18:03


reptibark is ok if mixed with the bed-a-beast but not loose. it will be swallowed and cause problems. yes the bed-a-beast can be swallowed and could cause a problem but compared to your other alternatives it's a no-brainer. no gravel. are you using actual coconut husk? bed-a-beast is not chunks, but strands.

Doofy1577
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 11:42


well mark I concider jungle mix to be strands and bed a beast to be fiber. Of course this is my opinion and no one eleses but Bed-a-Beast os by far the finest bedding I have used for my frogs. I am glad I read this post because I was wondering if I could mix the jungle mix with bed a beast but it looks to be a popular things with people on here so I will give it a try next week.

Take it easy people and bye
Aaron

amyjk
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 14:06


To answer your question mark, I bought the coconut husk in what looked like a brick, its kind of like ground up bark lookin stuff, smaller than reptibark, larger than bed a beast. Maybe I should market some "paper towel" substrate. omething with a nice design that is non toxic to frogs......hmmmm. Just a quick thought here too, what do you think of reptile carpet? Has anyone here used it?


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mark
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 16:26


that's bed-a-beast. I do mix it with jungle mix. and what is the difference between strands and fibers?
I don't use the carpet. it doesn't look right to me. besides the crickets go underneath it never to be seen again.

amyjk
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 16:30


ok, thank you mark :)


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becki
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 16:52


Another note on reptile carpet, it becomes soiled and stinky much quicker than b-a-b and when it has to be removed you have to take everything sitting on it out to get it out. You also have to have several pieces of it for each tank because once you have washed it it has to air dry which takes a few. I tried it, I hated it. Just my 2 cents. :)
Becki

amyjk
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 18:55


thanks Becki, was just wondering. Now about feeder cups? Just use a clear cup? And maybe suction it to side of tank, or set it on bottom? Also, how deep or wide of a cup? Or is it just easier to let the frogs "hunt" for their food? thanks


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Whitney
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 19:02


I like to let them hunt, myself. That is if they won't take it from me. But if you want to use a bowl of some sort, try a really small glass fish bowl. They knock over cups, or sit in them, which just lets the food escape. Plus, the climbing abilities of most melworms, waxworms, and superworms is amazing and most bowls are shallow. At least you know that they won't climb out of the bowl. The frogs will learn to climb in there when they are hungry, and climb out after theyve eaten.


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amyjk
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 19:36


cool, I can handle that. In fact, I will try that tonight. Thank You Whit. :)


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Whitney
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2003 20:32


No prob. There was somebody on KS that suggested it to me a long time ago, I just thought I'd pass on the knowledge!


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Tiger
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2003 02:33


Repti Bark and Carpet are no good. Too many problems with both. Both of them can make small abrasions on the sensitive membranes of the frogs and lead to further problems among other things. For feeding, letting the crickets run on their own accord is the standard practice. There are several disadvantages to this method, namely the fact that crickets will breed and deposit their eggs in any moist substrate, including sand, as I have personally witnessed on multiple occasions.
I like Whitney's suggestion, but haven't tried it. Do you use this method Whitney? If so, what are the pros and cons?

Best,
~Tiger


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Whitney
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2003 03:22


I have used it, and found it to be wonderful. The insects can not get out and munch on the plants or breed, which is great. I've lost more than a few mealworms or superworms only to have them emerge later as beetles. And the beetles that Superworms turn into are not pleasant, believe me. The only con to feeding in a bowl is the same with handfeeding. You get fat and lazy frogs. The hunting provides exercise, and is essential to me for any captive animal. When food is so easily obtained, all the frogs have to do is climb in, eat, climb out, and go hunker down someplace until morning. At least with the hunting of live prey the frogs get to act like frogs, stalking, climbing, missing every once in a while, etc. I currently do a random mixture of the three, sometimes hand feeding, sometimes using the bowl, and sometimes letting them hunt. The pros: clean tank, no unwanted breeding. Cons? Fat, unhealthy frogs. But thats my opinion.


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amyjk
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2003 19:13


I tried this (fish bowl) with my gtf...2 of them caught on real well, they hopped right in....one, on the other hand, stood outside of the bowl staring at the crickets with hungry eyes.....so, on that note, I am only going to do this on occasion, or keep a closer eye on them next time to make sure he is "getting it" :)


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Whitney
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2003 20:00


*laughing*
Poor thing! He'll get it...hunger makes animals really smart sometimes.


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Tiger
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2003 21:16


Lol, thats actually sort of a sad mental picture.


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