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Citris
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 16:15


I got 4 fire belly toads a few months ago, they were all bright green and now sadly, they are not... they all turned black and through a series of water changed I've managed to get at least 2 of them to a dark olive green... I'm not certain what's wrong, other than the color they seem happy, active and they are feeding well.
I currently have them in a 46gallon bowfront aquarium with about 13 or so gallons of water and about 50% land, the temp. is roughly 80 degrees and humidity is around 90% or so. they have been this color for a long time and I'm not certain if I should be alarmed about this.
I can post some pics of my tank if somebody tells me how (I'm new to this forum stuff)

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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 16:54


I don't know much about FBTs but i think that your humidity is way too high and your temps might be too high also. I could easily be wrong so anyone that knows a little more might be able to shed some more light on this.

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Citris
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 17:14


Thank you for the reply, I tried lowering the heat/humidity in there by swapping the glass top for screen, but that seemed to make things worse... temps got to around 76 or so and eventhough I have running water and a dripwall, there was no humidity at all and the toads turned a nasty grey color. plus all my moss got crispy and yellow... the only other thing I can think of is that the sand I used to seal my GS is a lime base (I think) which could be irritating the toad's skin... but again... there are no signs of illness whatsoever besides the dark color.
I wish I could figure out how to post a pic of my tank and get some feedback on it... maybe I went about things all wrong in the initial setup...

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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 17:40


yes post pics of your tank please!

you have to spray the whole tank often - I don't know how often, but you moss shoudl never dry out. Mine dried out once and the toads never went on land basically!

The screen top should be ok, I had it for a long time and everything was fine. Don't let the tank warm up too much, don't put it under direct sunlight, the water shouldn't be too warm!

Have you tried with live plants in the water?

Too mess up with the tank too much, that is to say don't change constantly the set up, add/take away things etc etc, it is fine from once in a while because they don't get bored, but not too often :O

do they eat? dunno, I understand your concern as I have always heard the greener the better, you know

Citris
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 17:45


sadly I do not know how to post pics on this forum.

but the toads ALWAYS EAT, ALWAYS... I gutload my crickets with fish flakes and baby carrots and I dust them every few feedings. I have a 6500K light on there plus a reptisun 8.0 uvb bulb which I still don't know if it's needed... info on the internet about firebelly toads is rather nebulous as far as temps, humidity, water PH etc... I even ran across one site were the guy said that they are terrestrial and do not need water in their tanks at all...

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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 17:56


figured it out! here's a kinda bad pic of my tank but you get the basic idea

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Citris
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 17:57


Hmm maybe that?


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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 18:30


Just a thought but the UVB might be a tad bit too strong for them if on a screen top, doesn't look like there is much overhead cover so the rays may be irritating them. Just a thought maybe someone might have some info to rebuke me though.


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Citris
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 18:48


it's a glass top now... when I went to a screen top it was only over the front section of the tank, it was just drying up way too much in there

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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 18:55


How is there ventilation if it is a glass top?


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Citris
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 19:14


not a lot actually... I guess I could rig something out of eggcrate and screen to better ventilate... the uvb bulb is a fairly recent addition too... I had a single strip light on there until about a week ago when I thought that perhaps I wasn't using the proper spectrum for the toads... again, I dunno, good info on these critters is hard to come by eventhough they're so common. the pic I posted is kind of old too... as soon as I find a camera cord I can put newer pics of the tank on there, the plants have grown a bit and I have some algae growth in there as well now. the temperature has been concerning me a bit but I'm not certain how to chill the tank down, ambient temp of my apartment is around 80...

Citris
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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 20:05


well I'm gonna run out and get some supplies, find my camera cord and try to rig somethin' up for ventilation at least... maybe it'll cool the tank down a little in the process, if I can find something I may get some plants to provide a little more cover (or at least some fake plants from the hobby shop temporarily) I'll try to get some new pictures up as soon as I can and see if anything I do makes a difference... maybe the temp is the big issue I'm dealing with... and the humidity at around 90 or 95% may be a little extreme for them too...

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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 21:51


other than airflow and humidity, the tank itself looks amazing in my opinion!

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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 22:24


Using a UVB bulb over a glass top is a pointless waste of money.

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# Posted: 31 Oct 2010 23:38


it's a glass top now...
Using a UVB bulb over a glass top is a pointless waste of money.

Agreed. The glass filters out the UVB.

they were all bright green and now sadly, they are not... they all turned black
Frogs can change their colors because of stress, illness, or trying to blend in with the scenery.
I have 3 caramel-brown Fire belly toads, when they are in the water, they are that color, when they are on land, they are a black-chestnut color.
I have 6 Green Firebelly toad, they range in color from olive to almost a lime green. but the same thing happens to them, when they are in the water they the pretty green colours, but when they are on the land area, they look almost like an olive-black colour

plus all my moss got crispy and yellow...

Do you have a fogger/mister/humidifier attached to your tank? perhaps that would help your moss while allowing more ventilation in your tank.


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# Posted: 1 Nov 2010 00:06


There was an excellent article on lighting in Reptiles awhile back (perhaps last year) that specified how much UV is lost over distance and through glass comparable to different bulb types/styles etc.

Firebellies usually darken uo with cooler temps. They should turn bright green with warmth and humidity. Nice tank! JVK


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# Posted: 1 Nov 2010 00:27


Sorry I didn't see your temp was 80 and humidity high as well. Try lowering both, both numbers are high. These aren't tropical frogs. JVK


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# Posted: 1 Nov 2010 11:05


okay... through some creativity with eggcrate my tank has ventilation! and not so much that I lose ALL of my humidity!
my humidity appears to fluctuate between 68 and 70% now which is quite better than 90 or 95... the temp. is still a problem however... it got COLD in my apartment last night and it only managed to get down to 78degrees in there... I'll figure out a way to reach my water heater and crank it down a bit (it's under the false bottom) but I do have a corner in the back of the tank where I could get to it if I really need to... just empty space where all of my cannister filter tubing goes, also where I put fresh water into the tank when I do a water change... and good news! ventilation seems to be helping, one of my toads who was DARK, almost black, is now a light shade of olive green.

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# Posted: 1 Nov 2010 15:20


I kept mine with screen lid and never misted, but I had a very small land area that mostly river rock and mine always stayed green, but seeing your tank, I can see how you would need to keep the land area moist by keeping the tank more humid.


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# Posted: 1 Nov 2010 19:42


my fbts were dark but when i put in neon stones and bright plants they seemed to brighten up on their back... it could be a camoflage thing because myn were still really healthy when they were darker


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# Posted: 2 Nov 2010 12:57


Your tanks looks amazing tbh, I really think you should lower the humidity by using a screen lid - the kind exoterra terrariums have. I don't know how you say you lose all humidity with the screen top, it's not an all screen terrarium! try spraying the tank daily and that will be enough imo

I would also add more green stuff, I have heard about the camouflage thing as well

Citris
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# Posted: 2 Nov 2010 13:38




it's amazing that the little strip of ventilation is helping out SO much... I do wanna thank everybody about the suggestion... I spent so much time worrying about water quality and PH and I didn't even think of airflow!

All toads are olive green (which is fine, I've heard of the camouflage thing too, but I was still concerned, and at least they aren't BLACK anymore), they seem a bit more happy too and I recently watched one shed it's skin, disturbing yet cool

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# Posted: 2 Nov 2010 18:20


nice job with the egg crate!

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# Posted: 2 Nov 2010 23:09




Citris
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# Posted: 3 Nov 2010 14:29


aha! I finally got to the water heater and cranked it down to 75! I guess I was so used to keeping tropical fish that my brain just thought "EVERYTHING AT 80 DEGREES!"
so now it's cooler in there, a little less humid, got airflow... thank you again for all of the input... the uvb bulb was just laying around I was just trying it out... so it wasn't really a WASTE of money
I just need to keep up on the water changes and see where that takes me, and probably get some better moss in there... although this isn't really the time of year to go out and find some, but one thing at a time.

Again, thank you to everyone who contributed. This was my first paludarium setup like this and I knew there was bound to be some kinks. I used to just pile gravel on one side of the tank or silicone a peice of plexi as a divider... it never looked "natural" enough for me so I tried the great stuff approach.

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# Posted: 4 Nov 2010 19:18


All's well that ends well

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# Posted: 4 Nov 2010 19:48 · Edited by: Heather


Late to chime in... just a small suggestion... careful with the opening of the egg crate! FBT have been known to climb and squeeze out through even the tiniest of openings! I would suggest maybe a small strip of screening material to cover the egg crate?

BTW... one of the BEST FBT enclosures I have seen!


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# Posted: 5 Nov 2010 23:55


Nice setup!!
one of the BEST FBT enclosures I have seen!


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Citris
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2010 13:56


well thank you... it took me a long time to get it up and running (my job currently has me working 6 to 7 days a week) which isn't much fun for little harpo...


there's one of my toads checkin out the camera, still dark but he looks nice to me .. I'm not the best photographer so the picture is a little blurry

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# Posted: 14 Nov 2010 00:00


I'm going to say, you do not need a heater for firebellied toads. They prefer water temps 68-75 during the summer. So take it out! In the winter time, its best to lower the temperature and reduce the photoperiod as they live in a warm temperate climate.

My bombina were always dark until I lowered the water temp below 75, but now just one turns green. The other still remains dark.

Also, I've heard that firebellied toads that live mostly on land will stay greener while ones that spend more time in water will darken. Neither of my bombina are bright green like at the petstore, but my frogs are very active and much larger and fatter. One of them has always been olive but I keep my frogs with a lot of water to swim in.

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