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Andry
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2010 16:00 · Edited by: Andry


Okay, I'm having uncertainties on when to treat my frogs.

Both my two new frogs (that came from same pet shop, same tank) are semi active at night soaking in their water bowls and just sitting about for 5 nights now.

Reinwardtii - 2" long, ate Sunday night, 7 crickets, and passed them whole without digesting (or vomited). Hasn't ate since. He walks around like he's dried up and shriveled like an old man until he sits in his water bowl and then he looks better. Is this because I have his tank so dry? 47% humidity. Should I add some drops of pedialyte to his water bowl so that when he soaks he is rehydrated well? Otherwise looks fine. Have not seen a bowel.

Baby Red Eye Tree Frog is 3/4" long - Comes down each night to sit in and around water bowl but has not eaten. Have not seen a bowel. Walks slowly, possibly weak, but I can't tell because RETF's normally walk slowly.

Questions:

1 - How do you administer Panacur if they aren't eating? Should I not worry about this until they do start eating?

2 - I just received the Baytril and put a drop on Reinwardtii's back this morning like the vet said to do each day for 21 days (if I remember correctly). I did not ask the vet about the Baby RETF dosage. Should I ask, should I even be giving it to him if he doesn't look like he has an infection?

3 - How soon should I start worrying that they are not eating and force feeding? My local vet gave me a syringe type tube to feed baby meat food orally. I had never heard of giving frogs baby meat food, anyone?

4 - Chytrid - Who should I treat? Just Reinwardtii or both? Do I wait for symptoms? I read somewhere that the treatment is harmless and is okay to administer even there are no symptoms? Is this correct? So, is it just my choice if I want to treat them or not?

5 - Also, how many crickets should I be leaving in with the frogs and should I remove them if they are not eating? I was using food bowls but now have just let the crickets loose in the tank, even removing paper towels from baby RETF's tank because I was afraid he wasn't find them. They are still not hunting or eating.


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k412
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2010 16:05


1. Don't give dewormer unless there are symptoms.
2. Don't give any antibiotic unless ill either, you don't want them to build a resistance.
3. As long as they don't look like they're losing weight, don't worry.
4. Always treat for this!!!! Don't wait until it's too late.

Congrats on your frogs.


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Sandy_Bear
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2010 16:17


1 - How do you administer Panacur if they aren't eating? Should I not worry about this until they do start eating?
I know that you can dust the prey with the Panacur. When my WTF "Norbert" had worms, I had to inject the crickets with the liquid form of Panacur, and then make him eat it. The vet wanted me to just squirt it in his mouth, because he didn't want to eat either, but he eventually came around and started to eat for me.
I'm pretty sure I've read that you can put a drop of panacur on their back, but I'm not 100% sure.


2 - I just received the Baytril and put a drop on Reinwardtii's back this morning like the vet said to do each day for 21 days (if I remember correctly). I did not ask the vet about the Baby RETF dosage. Should I ask, should I even be giving it to him if he doesn't look like he has an infection?
Bill recommends doing .3 of 1 cc to 1 gallon of water. This will be the water source for the frog for the next 7-10 days (changed daily obviously) You can also mist the enclosure with the baytril water mix. This dose can be increased a bit if the conditions of the frog is bad.
The tank does not need to be sterilized daily like the chytrid treatment.
You can do the baytril treatment and the Lamisil treatment (chytrid) at the same time if you want, but then the tank needs to be sterilized daily.



3 - How soon should I start worrying that they are not eating and force feeding? My local vet gave me a syringe type tube to feed baby meat food orally. I had never heard of giving frogs baby meat food, anyone?

My new animals, I try to give them two weeks before I start to worry too much, But that is only if everything else about them appears healthy. If the new frogs start loosing weight, or have sluggish/slow behaviour/reaction then I'd start to worry.
Have you checked out this page from Frog Freaks? The third topic has a good slurry recipe for force feeding.
http://www.frogfreaks.com/index.php?topic=1772.0

4 - Chytrid - Who should I treat? Just Reinwardtii or both? Do I wait for symptoms? I read somewhere that the treatment is harmless and is okay to administer even there are no symptoms? Is this correct? So, is it just my choice if I want to treat them or not?
If you have enough of the drug and containers for the frogs, treat everybody! You can wait for a bit to let the frogs acclimate if you want, like a week, two weeks, a month, but if you can, treat all your frogs with it.

Congrats on the new additions and post some pictures if you can!
-Sandy

Andry
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2010 16:26 · Edited by: Andry


k412 - Thank you.

Sandy - Thank you.

Chytrid - I thought I had read somewhere else as well to wait a couple of weeks before doing Chytrid treatment. That's two sources...I think I'm going to do that. Should I treat my RETF's that I've already had for 2 months as well? I read that you need to make sure they are fully covered, but wouldn't they drown? How do you treat a 3/4" frog, in a salsa deli cup with lid? Do, I just fill it up until they only have room to stick their head out of the water?

The baby RETF doesn't look like he's loosing weight but that's probably because he soaks himself every night.

I can't tell if the Reinwardtii is loosing weight. I will try and get a picture of him tonight so someone else might be able to tell me. I do see two marked circle's in his skin like bones protruding just slightly in his upper back close to his ears but centered on his back. Don't remember seeing them before but I could have just not been paying close attention. I wonder if this means he's loosing weight that I can see his bones? Not sure.


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thefrogwoman
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2010 18:50


you don't have to fill it up that much (the lamisil chytrid treatment) but just roll the froggie around in the deli cup a teensy bit so it covers his whole body and head.

you can treat the dudes you've had for two months as well. your amphibs don't need to show symptoms before you treat them. it's prob better that you don't wait until they do show symptoms.


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Ed Kowalski
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2010 19:19



I'm pretty sure I've read that you can put a drop of panacur on their back, but I'm not 100% sure.


Panacure is not suitable as a topical treatment.
At one time panacure (fenbendazole) was considered extremely safe but there have been documented incidences of problems when overdosing panacure (aplastic anemia is the result of a overdose). Dusting food items can create problems with dosing as the amount consumed cannot be controlled.. Both over and underdosing panacure are a problem as underdosing does not resolve the problem and encourages parasite resistence while overdosing is a problem as noted.
If a topical wormer is needed you should talk to your vet about ivermectin, levamisol or droncit (depending on the parasites involved).

With respect to the baytril, before attempting to treat the red eye you should find out the concentration of the solution sent you as it may be diluted already to treating the gliding tree frog. If you dilute it further without knowing the concentration, you can risk underdosing the frog.

With respect to the weight, a total loss of weight greater than 10% is a good indication of problems in the frog. Depending on the condition of the frog, time lines are hard to as an indication of when force feeding can occur as they cannot take into considerations things like fat stores..

Andry
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2010 20:24


Well, I'm having a hard time with telling normal weight from weight loss on the Reinwardtii. The red eye seems to be doing okay. Here are pictures from this morning:

Here you can see the round circle like skin raised behind the years...I don't think this was there before....




And the little guy:



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Andry
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2010 20:55


Nevermind, I think I see these same bumps in the last picture on this thread:

http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread &forum=6&topic=13364


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