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Biomajir
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 14:32


Has anyone ever kept either one of these frogs? It is so difficult to find information on them anywhere. I found a place that sells both, but they don't even provide much care information. From what I understand about the Mossys is that they don't need a heater in the tank and like lots of water and rocky hiding places. The Eyelash frogs, I have absolutely no clue about. Any help would be appreciated.

MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 15:17 · Edited by: MegophryidaeMan


Hi Biomajir -

Go here for some care information:

Solomon Island Eyelash frogs - Saurian

Vietnameses Mossy frogs -Saurian


Biomajir
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 15:58


That is the website that I have been going to. It just doesn't seem to provide very much info.

MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 16:00


Why don't you ask some specific questions and then some of us can answer them.


Biomajir
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 16:44


I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. First of all, what size tank and what kind of setup do I need for the Mossy frogs? How many can I keep in the tank and do they need a heater? I guess the same questions apply for the solomon island frog. Thank you again.

spawn
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 18:05


Derek just got Solomon Island Eyelash frogs!

EMWhite
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 19:02


Hi,
In March I got 5 of the eyelash frogs off of a wholesale list, (the price was very difficult to beat, @ $18 each I had to do it) and, to my complete and utter surprise, I have found them (WC) to be the hardiest frogs I have ever bought sight unseen. Knock on wood, I haven't lost a one, they eat wonderfully and are very attractive. They did come in with some bad nose rub on a couple, but that cleared up with a week of baytril and no one was any the worse for wear. I would highly recommend them, because, at least when established, they are beautiful showpieces.

I have mine in a 2' long by 1.5' wide tank that is densely planted and heavily decorated. While some may argue that isn't enough space for five, I have found that they are far less likely to bash their faces in if they have ample hiding places as well as visual barriers between me and them (which I think most would agree is true for almost all frogs).

They are kept pretty much in the typical "ground frog" manner. About 80-85F, full spectrum lighting (really for the plants, but they still have it) about an inch and a half of coco fiber mixed with a small amount of sand, and a medium water bowl and they seem very happy. I should say though, where as leaf frogs like the M. nasuta are somewhat bulky and less eager to jump, these guys can go flying across the room if they want to. They can jump VERY well and far. Not quite to the level of something like a leopard frog, but close....

Like I said, I have not found these guys to be challenging or high maintenance, however, I think as with any frog (which you probably know) they really seem to like to be left alone. They are perfectly content to sit all day long under a leaf (visible or not) and not move, and, in that, they may not be as active a captive as you would like. Though, if you want a showpiece or just something neat to look at, go for them!




Evan


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MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 20:34 · Edited by: MegophryidaeMan


I am with you Evan! Solomon Island Eyelash frogs are quite easy to keep - much less tempermental than the Megophryidae. Although, I am partial to M. nasuta, I still think that the Ceratobatrachus are a great frog!

As far as keeping that many in a tank like that, I am also in agreement with you. They tend to do really well in tanks that have ample hiding and when they are able to hide they don't bash their faces. You will probably have to change the substrate more frequently though.


Biomajir
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 20:46


EM, if you don't mind me asking, where did you purchase yours from? That is really an amazing price. I do like the yellow morph that is being sold form saurian.net, but they could get quite expensive.

EMWhite
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 22:36


And I with you Mego, I like the M. nasuta a little better too, only because of their size and amazing dramatic form. However, due to recent amphibian "problems" I have been really reluctant to order any no matter the guarantee. But, I definitely am a fan of both species.

The housing for them, as you said, seems to be working well too. I so wish though that I could train the frogs to defecate strictly in their waterdishes.... I have 4 giant toads that are A+ poop-in-water-bowlers (not to be weird...) which makes their cage last soooo much longer. It is wonderful. The best part was they came trained....

Biomajir (do you perchance study biology in college?)
I get several different wholesale pricelists as I work at a pet shop and sometimes order for myself under the shop's name, (usually the owner gets something too, but if not he doesn't mind) and I got them from Dewy and Dewy. Though, via KS, you might know them as (I think) Eco Regional. The only thing is though, as a wholesale list, you have to act FAST to get whatever you want. I called them about 15 min after I got the email concerning the SI leaf frogs and they only had the 5 left out of however many they got in. That, and the list is hardly ever the same more than once. But, they do have an extensive selection at times. And, not to jinx it, they seem to supply pretty decent frogs. I got 6 Boophis albilabris from them and all but one are still with me and appear very healthy. You may be able to email them and ask for a list to be emailed to you. I think the minimum order is $150.

Anyway, I was a little nervous reading some of the things I did about the SI frogs, but, as Mego said, they really do seem to be quite hardy, even after arriving a little roughed up. They also lay eggs on land that hatch directly into baby frogs, which, if you can manage it, is really something.

Of the 5 I got, only one was a solid color. He/she is a rusty pink/salmon color that is really nice. I would imagine that, in WC groups, the yellow is difficult to procure in the average shipments, and would be more expensive to boot. But, don't let that deter you, even the "natural" colors of the browns and gray etc. are really, really attractive.




Evan


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Biomajir
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 23:01


Thank you very much for information. Someone should really write a book or a decent website about these guys, I have a feeling more captive bred specimens would be available once word got out about them.

spawn
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 00:48 · Edited by: spawn


Evan, just to clarify, these do burrow in the ground like terrestrial toads right? So you'd want quite a few inches of substrate? Or is the leaf litter the way to go?

EMWhite
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 03:28


Hi,
I have noticed that mine don't so much burrow as more crouch (if you will) beneath low hanging leaves/pieces of wood. It seems that the leaf-like appearance they adapted allows them to not bury themselves and apparently still feel "safe." I think it makes sense because the leaf-like look might be wasted if they were to bury. As with the M. nasuta, it seems they are more of a sit and wait kind of predator. That's not to say they won't jump a little here and there if it has been a while since last they were fed, just that they appear more adept at the hide and pounce sort of thing.




Evan


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Biomajir
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 06:46


So just to make sure, do I think I could a group of these in an exo-terra tank? I am not use to terrestrial species so am not really sure about floor space. Usually I have to worry about height. Maybe two frogs in an 18x18x18?

EMWhite
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 08:31


To be honest, I think a trio or even 4 could work in a tank that size. Granted it is densely planted and has lots of things for them to move around on and in. They are not really large frogs, and are not terribly active. The main problem it seems is if they are not able to hide, they become startled easily and thus bang into the glass. Just out of curiosity, who are you looking at getting them from?



Evan


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Derek Benson
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 08:47







Derek Benson - Phyllomedusa/Hyperolius Enthusiast
Hayden
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 13:31


Derek, I hate you...

Biomajir
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 14:38


Derek, that frog is absolutely gorgeous, you are so lucky. They really are very beautiful little guys. EM, I was thinking of getting them from Saurian because I really like the yellow color. But to be honest, I haven't found them for sale anywhere else. Do you have any suggestions? I do like the yellow, but I think just having one that color would be enough as they are expensive. Also, thank you everyone for responding to my posts, this is the first forum I have been in that has given me any information, I really appreciate it. One more question (i'm lying, I'm sure there will be more) I have read that M. nasuta does not like having any lights over the tank as it stresses them out. I know these are not the same species but they fill the same niche in their different environments. Do you yours seem to be ok with the light?

MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 14:41


When I kept the SI eyelash frogs, they were much like Evan described. Similar in behavior to the Megophrys nasuta. It does stress them out slightly when you stand and stare right where they are hiding. Much like M. nasuta, these frogs liked being able to hide under large leaf plants, and have a food item come to them, than actively hunting for one. Evan, did you ever read that article that Patrick Nabors wrote on keeping and breeding this frog? It was in Reptiles Magazine a while ago. Very informative.


MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 22 Apr 2008 14:51


Mine are fine with the light. You kind of have to have the light for the plants. With more plant cover, the frogs feel safer. I would definitely put the light on for 6-8 hours for plant health.


EMWhite
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# Posted: 23 Apr 2008 03:19


I don't actually have any M. nasuta now. Mego.man is the guy to ask for that I believe. I think, as with any herps though, the light would stress them if left on for excessively long periods of time or if they had no way to escape it. So long as they have dark or dimly lit hiding places (under leaves, bark etc.) there really shouldn't be a problem. That, and, if you have live plants (which I really think are beneficial to frogs) you have to have some kind of full spectrum lighting regardless.

I don't know of anyone else selling them at the moment, that's why I was curious where you were looking at. I think Saurian sounds like a great place to buy from. I did see an ad or two on KS for them a week or two ago, but they were really expensive and not from frog only sellers. (Or at least frog heavy ones, which, for the price, I would think is advisable.)

Mego.man, I did read the article. I have a myriad of older issues and it is somewhere in the stacks and stacks... Somewhere... I did find it very informative. I scoured the mags to find it when I decided I wanted to order them, that, and I think I did find the Saurian info helpful. I want to say that with the both of those that's where all my info came from.

Does anyone have any that croak? I have read/heard that it sounds like a dog barking.... I would really like to hear it, but haven't as of yet. Something to look foreword to I guess.



Evan


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Stefeno
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2008 16:18


I am becoming more and more interested in the mossy frogs...How much do these normally cost?

Hayden
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2008 16:27


Anywhere from $30-$50 for unsexed juveniles. Much more for sexed adults.

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