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jwthought81
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# Posted: 9 Apr 2008 18:13


So Ive just finished the lamisil treatment with my 5 clown tree frogs and now I want to get them de wormed.

Is there any difference between the panacur that is specified for dogs or cats or horses or goats? Does it matter as long as they have the same active ingredient?

Also, how long should I treat the frogs? What kind of dosage? As I understand it just a dab on the head of the food item f I use paste. What if I use a powder? Should I dust/dab all the prey items or just a few?

Finally, should I seperate the frogs to be sure that they are all getting an equal amount of the panacur? Although the frogs all seem to be eating well, Im concerned that some frogs will eat more than others, thus ingesting more of the panacur. I've read that panacur is difficult to overdose, but Im concerned about some of the less agressive eaters not consuming enough of the panacur.

Thanks very much in advance.

Josh


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jwthought81
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2008 06:15


anyone have any experience with this stuff? Thanks


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MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2008 06:21


Ok, I have used the granules which I ground into powder. It was safegaurd for dogs and it is generally twice the strength.

I think separating the frogs is a good idea. Just make sure it's not too moist in the container so that the dust doesn't fall off of the cricket before they get to eat it. I would probably dust two or three crickets for each and do it once every three weeks. I think you would only need to do it twice for sure, but maybe a third treatment for safety - although this is just my opinion.


jwthought81
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2008 06:40


Thanks for the info.

So do you think that I should keep the frogs separated for the entire duration of the the treatment or can I keep them in their current enclosures with one another and just feed them separatly on the nights that Im going to medicate them?


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EMWhite
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2008 08:01


Hi,
If you are going to treat all of them, keeping them separate is not a bad idea. Not maybe 100% necessary, but still good practice. Whether or not they are together, the biggest issue is to remove feces (and the paper towels/dirt they are on) immediately. Panacur is used for the "dangerous" parasites that have a direct life cycle. This means that once excreted out of the frog, the parasites require no intermediate host to reinfect the animal. Meaning, if the frog poops and the feces have something like hookworms it it, and the frog goes and touches it, the hookworms can invade the frog's body on contact. That obviously defeats the purpose of the panacur in the first place.

So, that said, the next biggest concern you mentioned would be the dosage and duration of the meds. For whatever reason, because panacur has a very high level of tolerance, people seem to think they can just throw it unmeasured at a problem, pray, and hope for the best. That said, I do realize more often than not, people only have access to OTC panacur, not what is usually used for/by vets. So long as the drug name is "fenbendazole" you are using the right thing. Which type do you have? The powder, or the paste? If you've got the paste, just a very, very small dab on ONE cricket is enough. Just do each frog one at a time. Separate them, then panacurize the cricket and throw only that one in the container with the single frog. Then you are sure of what is eaten by which frog. Even if you leave and come back several hours later, the paste is so concentrated that even a lessened amount of it (should the cricket wipe some off) will be sufficient.

If you've got the powder: when I had mine, there were granules that were slightly larger than the dust-like powder. I would just pick out one of those for each frog and give orally. The powder I had was not fine enough to stick to crix. Though, this was a while ago and may have changed. If yours seems like it would stick to the crix, then I would do the same thing as with the paste and dust one, feed only that one, and then go from there.

The duration is usually every 14 days for 2-3 treatments. Though, sometimes vets like to do a lessened dose 1X a day for 3 days, then repeated in 2 weeks. I doubt that will work for you as your amount is already so small. That, and the once every 14 days should be easier for you as it is. You really don't need to worry about them getting enough per frog, especially if they are fed separately as both the paste and the powder/granules are much more concentrated than the regular liquid. And, for so small a frog, should be more than sufficient.

Good luck with them!


Evan



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jwthought81
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# Posted: 10 Apr 2008 16:12


Great info. Thanks so much. Currently, I dont have any panacur because I first wanted to see people's experience with each. I think Im going to go with the paste. I cant seem to find any powder and I dont feel like grinding the granules, to be honest. haha


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