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xhollisterluv1045
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 01:41 · Edited by: xhollisterluv1045


ok i have 5 pacific tree frogs in a tank and even a week after i clean it, it reeks and i can barely stand to go into my room. is there a air filteration system i can use or anything that will help get rid of the smell??? i dont want to have to get rid of my frogs but the smell is just getting too pungent. is there anything that can help??

froggz37
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 01:46


What size tank do you have them in?

Nebuchadnezza
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 01:47


Go to bath and bodyworks and buy some plug in air fresheners, also do regular spot cleaning, and change the water daily.

It may be your substrate that contributes to the smell.
I found that keeping the substrate drier cuts down on bad odors.


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xhollisterluv1045
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 01:49


i have them in a 10 gallon tank and it has a waterbowl, moss, crickets walking everywhere, drift wood and rocks for the bedding. also will the air freshners hurt the frogs??

Nebuchadnezza
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 01:52 · Edited by: Nebuchadnezza


A 10 gallon is too small for 5 whites tree frogs to live in.

At least a 29 gallon would be better to house them in.


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xhollisterluv1045
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 01:53


they arnt white tree frogs, they are pacific tree frogs

Nebuchadnezza
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 01:56


I would still advise a larger tank for pacific tree frogs.

29 gallon minimum.


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xhollisterluv1045
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 02:00 · Edited by: xhollisterluv1045


these are the average size of my tree frogs, so how large are 29 gallon tanks roughly?

froggz37
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 02:21


A 10g is much too small for five of those frogs. That is why it stinks. I would upgrade them to as large of a tank as you can get them. All the ammonia your smelling can make them sick.

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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 02:21


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spawn
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 05:10


Switch the damp moss and drift wood out for some bed-a-beast (cocofiber). It seems to asborb much of the smell. And you don't need it very damp in there, except during the summer/fall months. Right around now it's okay to keep it dry, as long as there is fresh water in the bowl.

A freshener shouldn't hurt the frogs. But don't stick it right above the cage or anything like that.

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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 13:11


A 29 gallon tank is roughly 30 inches x 12 inches x 18 inches


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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 22:08


I wonder if the "crickets walking everywhere" may be contributing as well.


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SweetKittyKat
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2008 22:17


Yeah, crickets (especially dead ones) tend to smell like crap. Maybe if you just get them a bigger cage and only give them what they can eat in one feeding, the smell will decrease?


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# Posted: 1 Apr 2008 00:24


Ya I was thinking that the only strong smell I could think of would be all the dead crickets. I'm in a room full of frog tanks and I don't small anything...no air fresh either.

Only add a few crickets at a time as you see them eat them......you don't want them walking everywhere biting on your frogs.


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# Posted: 1 Apr 2008 08:15


Unfortunately X, everyone is right in this case . . .a 10 gallon is way, way too small. You are going to have to invest in a larger tank and trust me, your frogs will thank you for it. With such a small tank, you also run the risk of bacteria build-up quite easily which could lead to infections, including, red leg. That many frogs in that amount of space is alot of feces and urine build-up (even with weekly cleaning). Tonight, when I was cleaning out my tanks and replacing substrate, I put my 5 whites in a dry temporary tank. Within mins. it had a half inch of urnie on the bottom. Imagine 7 days of that.

One way to help control odors is by using live plants. They help to break down and absorb waste. It's an option I plan to pursue this fall with my two tanks.

Oh yah, and crickets. I swear, that has to be what 'death' smells like. Left-over crickets and cricket corpses will cause some nasty little smells!


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# Posted: 1 Apr 2008 20:25


Think of it this way...

How much of a smell would there be if you put 5 people in a small room... then have all 5 of them urinate and defecate all over the place... add to it dying and rotting food and waste.

Like everyone has said... you need a MUCH larger enclosure for that many frogs. Best rule of thumb really is (for this species) 10 gallons for 1 and an additional 5 gallons for each frog. So for 5 frogs.. ideally a 29 gallon if not larger. (Bigger is always better)


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# Posted: 1 Apr 2008 23:23 · Edited by: Frogbert


Bigger is always better in most cases for treefrogs. But in my experience with Pacific treefrogs, Many are smaller than Reed frogs. I have some now and my fully adult male is less than an inch. most females stay under 2. My first Treefrogs were WC in Washington state. I had them for over 4 years. When we moved to AZ they got to stressed and cold coming across the northern rockies and passed shortly after our arrival in AZ. I speak from experience with this specific species...not generalization.

I would say NO less than a 20 gallon for those 5 frogs would be my advice. Pacific treefrogs like water, creeks , ponds. These frogs are tremendous swimmers!

I would do a setup with 2+ inch river stones and water. NO coco substrate or soil. Pile the river stones to one side and have about 2-3 inches of water across the bottom of the tank. YOu need enough stones to have them sticking out of the top of the water. Some should be completely out of the water. Get a submersible filter pump like this one.

Seat it under the stones so that the water can run out but the filter area is under the stones. Put Plants in that can survive in just water no soil. Like Pothos or aquarium water plants. DO NOT plant in pots with soil or coco. Fake work good too. I buy mine at Walmart. YOu can get a big fake plant for 3 bucks. I like them cause you can wedge the plastic stems between the rocks.

Do a half change of water 1 a week and add some Turtle clean or similar to get your biological filter started. [img]http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Category images/normal/1_122690_17022.jpg[/img] These frogs like luck bamboo and river reed too.


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# Posted: 2 Apr 2008 16:18


Sounds like a case of Swamp Thing.

Air freshner would just try to mask the smell and wouldn't solve the actual problem... and if it's what I think it is it can make it smell more noxious *gags* been there tried that, had to air out the place anyways after my roomate tried some flowery stuff.

The moss I think is the culpret... Unless it's living or sphagnum moss, when wet and stuck in a tank, the stuff just rots. It then smells like the wrong end of a cow. If you want to use moss, I'd use the long fiber sphagnum moss (since they are small impaction shouldn't be an issue) for a moist zone (handy in water too, the stuff takes years to rot - if it doesn't come back to life). The rest should be the ground coco-fiber product already mentioned. Make sure to have a DRAINAGE LAYER or you'll get the noxious swamp smell back again.

For water either use a filter with it, or use a large dog bowl and clean it regularly (as in daily to every 2-3 days depending on how fast they get detritus in it).


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# Posted: 3 Apr 2008 05:31


I think it is your crickets.

When I was younger we found an abandoned pool which had a few feet of water and 1000's of these frogs. The house etc. was going to be rebuilt and the pool buried so of course being young and stupid we decided to rescue some of the frogs. Even when we kept them at much higher densities than 5 per ten gallon...they didn't smell much. Oh, majority were released shortly afterwards. I would keep them again but too many laws and rules governing our native frogs.

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