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Tardy
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 14:58 · Edited by: Tardy


I know this sounds like a disgusting idea for a thread, but many people have no idea what frog excrement should look like. I for one have a vague idea of what healthy "poop" looks like, so I thought I would start this discussion.

Here is a picture of what appears to my eye to be health poop from my WTF


It would be nice to see and hear from others on this subject


Jennifer
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 19:25 · Edited by: Jennifer


I don't think that looks ok. Maybe your frog has parasites or some other infection.


FrogPrincess
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 20:17


Lol, I'll play along

However, their poo will be different with different species though.

pyxie



and this one is from a pacman




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Tardy
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 20:45


Jennifer wrote: I don't think that looks ok. Maybe your frog has parasites or some other infection.

Do you have any pictures to compare it too on what healthy WTF feces looks like?

Here is a picture of her dried feces


I am trying to open up a dialog here, as it seems over the last few weeks we have had some forum members that have had their WTF die or have some other serious health issues

I have read many post about "healthy poop" but no where does anyone show pictures or discuss in detail on what health poop looks like.

As far as parasites, there was no signs of parasites in her poop when I did a smear and looked under a microscope.

She has no visible signs of illness, is active, a huge appetite, has clear eyes, and appears healthy (can see pictures here URL)

So again, I would like to see others post pictures of their frogs poop, so there can be an exchange of information


Tardy
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 20:55


Thanks for the pictures BIG HYDRO..that is very useful and gives comparison to others on what pyxie and pacman frog feces looks like.

I am just anal (no pun intended) about receiving and providing as much correct information possible.

Many times, people will repeat the same mantra of bad information over and over just because they have read it on some forum or website (not saying that is true of this forum, as everyone I have came across seems very helpful and friendly).


Jennifer
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 21:18 · Edited by: Jennifer


Frankly, I think my frogs would be embarrassed to have their excrement posted.

Milkshake is a princess and she always smells like a rose.

Houdini doesn't even like people to see his face.

Naturally, any of this stuff is removed from their tanks immediately so as not to cause them any undue distress.

Frog excrement should be shaped like the frog's inner parts -- not be shapeless. It should be solid.

Does your frog's * smell bad? That's another warning sign of disease or infection. Someone wrote that if they eat mice, it will smell bad, but otherwise it shouldn't ...


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Tardy
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 21:29


Jennifer wrote: Frankly, I think my frogs would be embarrassed to have their excrement posted.

Milkshake is a princess and she always smells like a rose.


LOL, You are right Jennifer, I have seen pictures of Milkshake and she is a Princess

As far as smelling bad, no...their is no smell associated with my frog or it's feces...but then again, it is not like I have actually sniffed either one But in general, no, there is no odor in the vivarium.


lestat
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 22:25


From Red Legged Walking Frogs, Kassina maculata.





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tth_lee
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2008 23:26


That pyxie looks like he's making some chocolate ice cream for the kids.


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packers4life
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2008 00:32


my white's looks like the smaller ones of the Red Legged Walking Frogs


1 white's tree frog
2 fire belly toads
Tardy
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2008 00:46


Thank you Lestat for the pictures


Heather
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2008 01:35


I actually think that this is a really good idea for a thread! There has been much discussion about what a "healthy poo" should look like and with this thread we can just post a link to the thread.

I don't currently have any frogs (soon... very soon) and the pics that I have of the frogs I id have, don't show any of their feces. But I will be sure to contribute when I have something to add.

Tardy, I think that your frogs sample there looks fairly normal, though I wonder is maybe it a little watery? It's been a while since I've had a Whites and it was a very sickly one (I attempted to nurse it back to health after getting her from deplorable conditions... it was a failure sadly) and her feces was very very wrong.

I highly encourage every one taking time to snap a good picture and post it. That way all can see just how much it can differ between species and even same species... but over-all there will be documentation showing just what "normal" or "healthy" looks like.


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Jennifer
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2008 04:06 · Edited by: Jennifer


OK, here is Milkshake's "present." I guess people should see what happens when your frog is a real princess.

You will notice that it goes through a rose-scenting process and the final result is a neatly labeled solid package.




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Tardy
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2008 05:23


Heather wrote:I actually think that this is a really good idea for a thread! There has been much discussion about what a "healthy poo" should look like and with this thread we can just post a link to the thread.

Thank you.....I thought too Just what, the one I start tomorrow will sure get some people thinking ;)

Heather wrote: Tardy, I think that your frogs sample there looks fairly normal, though I wonder is maybe it a little watery?

I had misted the tank about an hour before taking the picture, plus had used flash in macro settings, so the feces does look slightly wet. I will try to get a picture in the morning before going to church.


newbie
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2008 06:22


My FBT tend to poop in the water. Very rarely do I ever see poop on land, but I'll try to catch a few pics for you.


and



eeeeewwwww at that pixie poop!!! Thanks lee for taking it to the next level, I'll never be able to look at chocolate soft serve the same. LMAO!!!

whitie
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2008 13:23


This is normal for my 3 wtfs.



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Tardy
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# Posted: 24 Feb 2008 19:52


Thank you whitie


Tardy
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2008 01:53


Here is a picture of Dumpy's "poop" on the side glass



memnoch1970
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2008 02:04


nasty nasty nasty,


memnoch the devil
Jennifer
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2008 02:39


Not Milkshake's rose-scented "present"!


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Tardy
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2008 18:13


Jennifer Wrote: Not Milkshake's rose-scented "present"!

Jennifer, you seem like a nice enough person that cares about her frog...but as "cute" as your reply may be to some, it offers no input.

There is time and a place for all things....IMO, cutesy, whimsical gab should be kept in the "Fun" forum.

As stated in another posted, thanks to everyone who took the time to post information.

These are the types of serious discussion that I personally like to see on forums. When a newb comes to a site looking for answers and solutions, that is what the want to find.....not just two words replies or some nonsense that has nothing to do with the thread.

Again, thank you everyone who provides real information and advice.


Jennifer
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2008 20:50 · Edited by: Jennifer


I don't think that referring to feces as ice cream qualifies as useful input either; you might want to direct your criticism towards the more aberrant responses on this thread.

As far as the scientific or useful content of the thread, it is less than meager

I imagine that the primary reason a thread devoted to WTF scatology hasn't been created before is that what people know on this forum about a healthy WTF BM is that it is solid, with no obvious worms or bugs, and doesn't smell.

Any information you might need apart from those descriptive words should come from a vet's fecal analysis. This thread, IMO, is unnecessarily graphic.

Cutesy -- I don't think so. Poking fun at something which is slightly inappropriate -- yes.

If you want to talk about time and place, some of the other pictures and comments on this thread are excessive in a way that --very unfortunately-- isn't what you would call cutesy.


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# Posted: 25 Feb 2008 23:26


Tardy I know that you'd like things to be kept on a serious note... but you'll learn that on this forum... cutesy, whimsical gabs will appear in just about every thread in every section. That's just how this group has always been. There will always be a less than serious post tossed in with all the serious ones. I hate to tell ya this, but if you are looking for something that is all serious, appropriate and "by the book" at all time and in their designated sections... well... then you aren't going to find it here.

You are a new member... most of us have been here for a long time (4 years myself) and we joke with each other... but through all that we also have very serious discussions. Directly criticism of other members simply because they wanted to put a bit of fun into something will only result in upset members... and when that happens we end up with far bigger problems and arguments.

As I have already stated... I think this is a pretty good "reference" thread but it shouldn't be used as an answer-all. If your frog has what appears to be an "unusual" BM and doesn't look like what has been posted here, and you are concerned... then a vet should be consulted.


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# Posted: 25 Feb 2008 23:39


I agree that this can be a very informational thread to some of us. I have seen similar threads on other sites as well, and someone always seems to learn something from it. While I personally only have large frogs, it's always nice to learn about other frogs too. There's obviously differences in some of the wtf poo pics above, what the reason is I don't know, but it is definitely interesting to learn.

I also do not see this thread as unnecessarily graphic, or inappropriate. Frog poo is a part of the frog keeping hobby, and if one has concerns about it, then asking here or other forums is a great way to learn about a particular subject, BEFORE spending the money on a specialized vet just to have them say about the same thing as someone on here could have said.

There is alot to be said for hands on experience, and sharing those experiences is the reason most of us are here to begin with.



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Jennifer
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2008 01:13


I didn't mean to be overly harsh to some of you by the by -- I only mentioned any of that to indicate that if I have a minor criticism and can express it with humor, that's more my speed.

Tardy, I looked again. While looking at what the healthy frogs did isn't of a lot of interest (at least not to me), it is helpful to look if your frog might be sick. Your frog's productions do not look like she is in the best of health.

One of my frog's BMs looked like that some weeks or a month before I figured out that she had worms.

To be more graphic -- you can see that it is not as dry and solid and shaped as the others posted.

While it is not certain what is causing this, you might want to get panacur or research how to get it -- if at some point in the next month, you think she has worms.

(The stool might be loose from something else but you might want to try avoiding a vet's bill if it's something you can try without hurting your frog).


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# Posted: 26 Feb 2008 01:20


Jennifer I had made mention of that also a few posts back and he stated that he had misted the tank not too long before taking the picture. So that could definitly make the feces in the first photo appear more loose than the other picture posted.


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Jennifer
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2008 01:54 · Edited by: Jennifer


Tardy posted three pictures Heather.

The second one is a picture presumably unaffected by misting.

Even the first one though, with the mist, should not be shapeless.

As to the one on the wall, that just went down vertically so it doesn't give as much information although it looks a little better than the others; it could be a little loose there too.

I hadn't even looked so carefully until the last few posts, but from all of the ones Tardy posted, it looks like the frog may have some bug.


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Tardy
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2008 05:55


Hello Everyone and especially Jennifer,

I did not intend to personally attack you or anyone else.

I just wanted this thread not to be hijacked so people can share in their experience. Not everyone who comes to the forums has the vast knowledge of herp keeping as many here have.

On my fish site before I closed down the forum, we had an area of pinned caresheets, health information, fecal diagnosis, and even necropsy.

I personally have found that by providing as much good information to newbies can prevent a lot of headaches for them, and prevent the same questions posted over and over.

So I sincerely hope that you accept my apology, and we can be friends


Jennifer
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2008 07:09


What you said wasn't personally nasty. Because I didn't agree with it however, I did want to clarify that what I wrote and posted was not intended just to be cute but rather to gently mock -- by showing a much more prim approach -- some of the slightly off-putting (and somewhat juvenile) photos and comments. Had the other posts been of a different caliber and very informational, I would have refrained from posting what I did.

I am, like others on here, interested in the way this forum helps to figure out and take care of medical problems. When I was new on here, I was desperate about this very same issue.

Little Milkshake was very sick with runny stools (it got progressively worse over the course of a few weeks); she is eternally grateful to Nuggular who wrote right away to tell me to get her Panacur (and where to get it).

And of course, anyone who acknowledges Milkshake's royal beauty -- as you have -- can be my friend.


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# Posted: 26 Feb 2008 07:29 · Edited by: BIG HYDRO


eeeeewwwww at that pixie poop!!! Thanks lee for taking it to the next level,


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