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Petfreak1321
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 03:32


My wife just surprised me with this baby Tree Frog sold as a Green Tree Frog from Petco. I have tried to do research on the Albino variety with little luck other than the large price tag of about $100.
Is their any difference in care between Albino and American GTF's?
I have 3 adult GTF's in another tank (Albino is in quarentine right now)
I am not sure if light could be an issue because I know that most albino animals have light sensitivity due to lack of color pigment (or something like that)
Will the albino be able to join the others when big enough? why or why not?

Assuming it is an Albino American Green Tree Frog

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Sorry, hard to get a good picture. It is ~ 1" and you can ignore the black marks on it body, just substrate.


Petfreak1321
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 03:38


After zooming in closer on the blackmarks, they appear to be little clusters of 4 or more bubbles or boils, what do you think?

I have not attempted to clean them off because I believe it is wild caught and I don't want to stress it out anymore than it already is.


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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 03:47 · Edited by: BIG HYDRO


I thought that albinos had red eyes? It looks sickly to me.



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MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 03:51


I don't think it's albino. I think it's just a color variation of the Green Tree Frog. As far as boils, I would get it to a vet and see what's up.

Do you have smaller crickets? I tend to think with small frogs, a lot of smaller food items are probably better for them, than fewer larger items. Just my opinion though


Petfreak1321
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 04:05


yeah i bought the "small" crickets from the shop and forgot to sort out the smaller ones, I knew one of you would catch that haha. I have some fruit flies in there also but does not seem interested.

I too thought that albinos had red eyes, I looked everywhere to see about the different color varities and only got green and brown, which I agree. My other 3 are bright green, but one turns brown now and then, mostly during cleaning, and he also has pattern one his back. I guess it could just come down to the bloodline of the frog.

Could a cross breed of a regular and albino create a baby with albino body but regular eyes?

I guess time will tell for sure, cool eithier way. I have never seen one that color before.


Petfreak1321
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 04:08


I believe the rule of thumb with food it length of food should be ~ same as the distance between the two eyes. that is what I generally go by and never had problems

I hate when I ask for a couple dozen small and get a few very large female cricket mixed in (and vice versa) good thing I gut load them and dust them, gives me time to seperate.


daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 05:43


hey pals
thats not an albino
thats a sick frog
i currently have a gtf wich its color started to vanish to a grayish like the one on the pic, and was almost gone, currently it recovered some of its color, i will try to post a picture of it, if anyone knows what's wrong please tell us, i think petfreak and i would be glad t hear


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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 05:47


albinism is a recessive trait. so it will either be albino or it won't. this is not an albino. i agree i think it is sick or stressed or nutrient deficient.


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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 05:53


it definetively suffers the same disease as mine, but the stage of ur frog's more advanced, i tried to look for help with many experts but they have no clue, it just started as a nose rub and it expanded to the body, the frog's still alive, i think it has been sick for about a year


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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 05:53


it started as what it looked like a nose rub*


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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:05 · Edited by: daemon





the black dot's substrate


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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:07





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MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:14


Wow, that's incredible. How have you treated it daemon?


daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:17


those are the old pictures


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MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:21


Did you give the frog any medicine or did he get better on his own with proper husbandry? I think I read that the frog is still alive and better than it was, right? How have you been treating it?


daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:28 · Edited by: daemon




these are the new pics, just took em 5 mins ago


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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:30





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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:32





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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:33


i ve been treating it normally, he's on his tank and it eats, but prefers to be hand fed than to chase food,


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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:34


well seems that petfreak and me have the same problem, dont u think?

same disease but his frog has more advanced symptoms


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MegophryidaeMan
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:36


Could be.

So it seems that proper husbandry techniques pulled the frog around. Good to know!


daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 06:37 · Edited by: daemon


yup, and one sad thing, i havent heard my frog (his name's easter cause i got it that day) sing for a while...


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spawn
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 07:53


A nose rub wouldn't discolor the entire frog like a tar spreading through the capillaries. I don't know what the hell is wrong with your frog, but I severely doubt a nose rub started this trend. Be happy he's eating, haha.

daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 08:04


petfreak, quarantine ur frog, dont mix it with the others, as i told u, i have asked a few hobbyist but they had no clue on what happened,when i bought it it looked as same as a healty specimen, the pigment on the skin of my frog recovered a lot since i took the first pics, still has sum grayish zones on the head, a bit on the back and on his nose as u can see on the pics, other strange thing is that my frog actually looks like hes blowing air, like if it inflates as a balloon an then releases air, but now it does it rarely, it made it mostly when the affection started, i heard that its a sympthom of redleg, but if that was the case, the frog should be death long long ago, as i told u, it' s been 1 year "sick" and actually eats, but prefers to be hand fed most of the times, but its eating and i think thats a good sign, i used no medication on it cause i didnt know what was affecting it, just housed normally. eats small crickets, mealworms, pillbugs and red worms


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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 08:05


yes spawn u re right, thats why i said that it started as what it looked as a noserub, not a noserub


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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 08:07


and yes he's eating, thanks for the support, hope we find a cause of this strange disease


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daemon
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 08:08


as soon as i know something, i will keep u posted


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Petfreak1321
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 13:08


Thank you for the info, keep me posted.

As a routine of mine when a new frog is purchased I setup a quarantine tank, put a few crickets in the tank, put the container (with the frog) inside and let it climb out on it's own. I watch it until it eats, to put my mind at ease. Generally, pets shops feed them at a minimum so they should be hungry and ready to eat. Then I quarantine it for 30-90 days.

The "pale" one that I just recently aquired didn't even completely get out of the container before it gobbled down a cricket. Always a good sign. I hope that this little one continues to eat.

My heart always goes out to the odd pets in the shop, that I know most people won't buy. I have bought a FBT with a broken and bloody back leg, Black Moor Goldfish with very small fins, blind Red-Eyed Tree Frog. All of which have lived long healthy lives. I just recently aquired a 3-legged Green Anole and so far so good with her.


kerokero
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 16:14


Albino GTFs are yellow in body coloration because they lack the pigmentation in the skin that combines with the yellow to make them green to brown. Their eyes appear red since the lack of melanophores also includes the eyes, and the black in the iris (this lets light thru which is why albinos are more sensitive to light and especially rough on nocturnal animals). You animal appears to have normal pigmented eyes and should have normal eyesight.


While I agree that there could be health issues involved, there could also be genetics involved too... "albino" is hardly the only phenotypic variation that can be seen.... considering his lack of pigment thru his whole body it could be another genetic twist... albino is a slang term generally applied to amelanism (lacking melanophores) (tho the term can be loosely used to mean any pigmentation weirdness), and what you may be seeing is a genetic variation where the frog lacks one or more of the other pigments (since he's lacking the blue/green and white, I believe he may be lacking iridiphores). This is not an "albino" but I don't remember the "official" term for it (in the bearded dragon world these are called translucents).

Here is an example of a northern leopard frog metamorph with the genetic mutation of lacking iridiphores...



Normal metamorph from the same population showing typical coloration...


Not all albinos have "red eys"... its just the most common forms in the pet hobby do. A quirk in the production of pigments can happen at many points in development and cause variations in the amount of "albino" depending on the genetic quirk... such as having normal pigment in eyes and organs but not in the skin (where the "albino" is limited to the skin only) or the whole body, which would include the eyes. Your animal seems to have a reduction in iridiphores in its skin, but seems to have normal eyes in comparison to the leopard frog I posted pics of that had all black eyes.

Cross that frog with an albino and you'd probably make a see thru GTF Too bad it would then have little to no pigment in its eyes and make it even more sensitive to light than albinos... They'd be cool with bright red eyes but you'd have to keep them in the dark constantly


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kerokero
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 16:27


From original post -

American GTFs and albino GTFs are the same thing... the albinos are just a recessive genetic trait within the American GTF population. Their care would be identical except I'd keep reduced lighting over the albinos due to the pigmentation issue I talked about in the post above. The dark pigmentation in the iris is used to protect the eye and since the GTF albinos lack this in their case, you'd want to be more careful about lighting. For this reason I've always kept albinos sepertate (leopard geckos I my case) because they would be outcompeted by the "normals" for food as they would be active during lighted hours when I often fed while the albinos avioded light - especially the first 6 months of age - like they were vampires that would pOoF into dust if light touched them.

Yours has normal eye pigmentation it looks like so I'd say he probably would be just like the other GTFs when it came to food.

The brown spots on him are likely bits of the sphagnum moss that will wash off.

If you breed him, I'd be interested in tadpoles! I like to see how the pigmentation develops in the tadpoles... its interesting to see in albinos and can tell you a lot about development in tadpoles. (Within my herpetology studies I tend to specialize in tadpoles... I'm weird I know!)


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