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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 20:02


I have 2 big eye tree frogs, both in the same tank. Both of the stomach's are bloating they feel like baloons. DOES ANYONE KNOW A CURE FOR BLOAT?!?!


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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 21:04


are they rubbing at their sides and opening their mouths alot?


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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 21:30


Hee hee you sound just like me when that was happening to my baby red eyes. Every one said "Shedding" You may not actually see them shed because the eat it. But MAN OH MAN do they look all bright and shinny after!!!


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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 21:32


are there bellies perminently bloated or just for a few mins?

id only for a short while then sound like shedding. it there always bloated then you probable have a prob.

I thinkkBecki had this but I cant remembr what she did to fix it. Ive mailed here sosge looks at this link.

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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 22:07


perminantly bloated.


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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 22:09


both are super shiny, but perminantly bloatded


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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 23:00


How long?....can you tell if it is water under the skin?..look closely at where the leg connects to the body.


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# Posted: 9 Jul 2003 23:09


I dont think its water. I do not feel anything when I push just some air, right by the leg i see bloating


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# Posted: 10 Jul 2003 02:50


hey sharp-

-this may be a bit long, but may be of help ... it comes directly from, "Care and Breeding of Popular Tree Frogs", the diseases and disorders section, and hasn't been altered:

Red Leg:
-"Red leg is a term for a disease caused by Aeromonas. Unsanitary conditions, prolonged exposure to cold conditions, overcrowding, and other factors that lead to stress contribute to red leg.
-Symptoms include listlessness, bloating, lack of appetite, and the reddish appearance of the underside of the thighs and belly, which is caused by enlarged and broken capillaries resulting in subcutaneous bleeding. Treatment with tetracycline administered orally at 50 mg/kg twice a day should be initiated immediately. Additional injectable antibiotics are also recommended."

Water edema of the limbs and body:
-"If a tree frog looks like it is bloated with water, particularly in its limbs, then there is a good chance that your frog may suffer from kidney disease. This is not usually reversible and is best prevented through proper husbandry. It is important to keep your frog's water clean at all times so that it does not reabsorb wastes such as urine from its water container. Other factors that may contribute to kidney disease include other diseases, diets that are too rich (such as an exclusive pink-mouse diet), and excessive calcium and D3 supplementation."


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becki
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2003 04:42


This is always a hard call to make without seeing the frogs myself but, especially since they are both doing this simultaneously I am leaning against shedding. Has anything at all changed in the set up? Same water? Same cleaning routine? I'm not leaning towards redleg either as the bloating with it is a very late symptom and likely not the first you'd notice. Have there been any other changes in behaviors, eating, activity, any other symptoms? How long have they been bloated and when did they last eat roughly? I know with 2 it's sometimes hard to pinpoint eating and pooping exactly. The best I can say without knowing more is that it soinds like a possible reaction to a toxin - esp since you have 2 showing the same thing. Can you think of anything foreign they could have possibly come into contact with? Could anyone have sprayed something around them, water changes, anything? You need to soak them in clean treated water and change the water frequently - do what you need to do to keep them in the water, you can try to put them in a shallow tuperware container mostly covered with a towel as long as you are there watching that they do not escape or place the container in the tank so if they get out of it they can't get away. If it is a toxic reaction, this will be the only thing to help. If it's kidney failure, there's not much to reverse it and it will be evident to you quickly that is the case. I'll be on for a bit tonite and will check first thing in the morning so get back with me and I may be able to be of more help. Best of luck.
Becki

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# Posted: 10 Jul 2003 18:12


Thank you all for your help, the BIG big eye I had died!! I wasnt at a total loss having it for 2 days. but now my AWESUm big eye has it to I THINK! but my friend says that it doesnt look bad. Its NO WHERE NEAR as bloated as the other one, i was just waiting for him to float away he was soooo inflated. BUT i really want my big eye to survive is, ive grown attached to him. HOW along about does it take before bloating kills the frog?(untreated)


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# Posted: 10 Jul 2003 19:59


Please take it to a vet.


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# Posted: 11 Jul 2003 02:52


There are seriously no reptile vets in Wisconsin.(or any that I have found) My little big eye's swelling has gone down ALOT!! which im happy about. Ill keep you guys updated on his progress


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becki
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# Posted: 11 Jul 2003 16:09


I was trying my best here to help you pinpoint the problem and you didn't reply to any of that so I can't be of much more help. But, if your frog has kidney failure, he will die a very horrid, slow and painful death. A vet visit would diagnose him but from my experience I know how few frogs actually make it to a vet, and even fewer who make it to a vet that knows amphibs. Please try to do whatever you can to pinpoint the problem so you can help him. If he is in end stage kidney failure, he needs to be put to sleep to stop his suffering. Have you been soaking him? If so, what changes have you notice with it?
Becki

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# Posted: 11 Jul 2003 20:48


He is doin EXCELLENT! he actually soaks himself. I will turn off his UV light for the night and 10 minutes later hes bathing himself, he looks soo cute when he does it toO! I think he has cleared up, do you know if pepper plants are ok for frogs to live with, my friend and i think thats the problem


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# Posted: 12 Jul 2003 03:52


I don't know much, but I wouldn't put pepper plants in a vivarium with frogs. I mean, they're hot and acidic, and they're related to tomato plants, which are toxic, so I'd get them out!!

Also, if one of your new frogs died, I really think you should take the other to the vet. Or, call one long distance and talk to them or SOMETHING, because it could still be sick, even if it's acting better.

Either way, I hope it's doing okay and good luck.


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# Posted: 13 Jul 2003 20:40


i will take those pepper plants out of the tank. Other than that tho all of my frogs are in Tip Top Shape! Thanks alot to Cheshireycat, blink, frogbert, and gordon! Thanks for the help and trying to HELP ME pinpoint the problem, all of the bloating has gone down


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# Posted: 14 Jul 2003 00:04


PEPPER BUSH (Leucothoe spp.); leaves, nectar; cardiovascular and nervous systems affected.


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# Posted: 14 Jul 2003 00:05


that might have been the reason for the bloat problems

Beleive me those plants are HISTORY!


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# Posted: 14 Jul 2003 00:14


Good to hear. What kind of peppers were they, btw? Just curious, because I'm too lazy for a Google search on that species now


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# Posted: 14 Jul 2003 00:16


Is there a medicine for stopping bloating? just incase this stuff happens again? I tryed searching for it but i had no results


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# Posted: 14 Jul 2003 00:30


NO clue what kinda peppers they were all i know is that if they had the word pepper in em THEY WERE OUTTA HERE!


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# Posted: 14 Jul 2003 02:40


Just a thought...

You should have informed yourself about what kind of plant you add in your tank with live animals. Make sure you find as much information as possible before putting it in a terrarium.




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becki
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# Posted: 14 Jul 2003 07:03


There is no medication for treating bloating as a reslut of toxin exposure. The only thing you can do is to soak them in clean treated water and change the water frequently - this will flush the toxin out of their system if caught early enough and the toxin levels aren't too high. If the toxin levels are too high and have caused complete kidney failure, there isn't anything that can be done to reverse it and the frog should be euthanized. Hope this helps.
Becki

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# Posted: 15 Jul 2003 04:52


thanks becki


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becki
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# Posted: 15 Jul 2003 05:51 · Edited by: becki


You're very welcome.
I saw your update on the BETF with the lip boo-boo - glad it's healing up. If it's good and scabbed over now, you can stop cleaning with the diluted peroxide and just keep up with the Silvadene.
And, did you see the post about adding new plants to your tanks? http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread&forum=4&topic=1294 I know you removed the pepper plant due to it's potential toxic exposure but your pothos need to be removed as well until they have grown out.
Best of luck with them all and keep us posted.
Becki

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# Posted: 16 Jul 2003 01:50


I have a question and it might be hard to explain but....

MY BETF he has air in him. i can push on it and it just goes right down. not much air at all. Is it normal to have a little bit of air in the frog its self, or could that just be water?and its only on his sided, his legs have a jelly feeling stuff in them i think thats normal, that i found on the inet but not the little bit of air on his sides, when he is all straight out with his legs straight(in walking position) you cant even feel the air. Is all of that normal?


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# Posted: 16 Jul 2003 02:06


Here is a picture to help you diagnose the problem. He is curled up in this picture so it might be hard to tell, i did my best



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# Posted: 16 Jul 2003 02:07


something else you have to keep in mind is the 2 bones at the butt section of the Big Eye, So Dont let that concern you


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# Posted: 16 Jul 2003 02:08


sry again but if the picture doesnt show just right click on where it should be and then click show picture!


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