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Gerontia
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# Posted: 14 Apr 2007 14:59


I'm very ignorant about frogs in general, but have become fascinated by the tadpoles, now frogs, which we bought for our kids.

They are Green and Golden Bell frogs, native to Australia. We have three. Sometimes I see them sitting on top of one another, but I haven't seen anything happen as a result. Sometimes the top frog isn't even facing the same way as the bottom frog - it just seems like bottom frog is a piece of furniture. Why would they do this, if it isn't amplex? Does amplex simply encourage egg-laying? It doesn't involve fertilisation, does it? Would same-sex frogs sit on top of one another?

The other day, two of them were pressed up between the wall of the tank and a rock, side by side, bellies to the wall. One appeared to be producing a string of white-ish mucus from the general vicinity of its genitals. The other didn't. Does this tell anyone anything? The gender of the secreter, for example?

I've seen a lot of mucus-y stuff in the water, but nothing I'm confident is eggs, and no tadpoles.

Apparently males of this species have a loud call, but I've never heard anything. Would they still call when enclosed in a (relatively) small tank? I'm a little worried that all three may be female.

I'd like to help them breed if possible (they're an endangered species). All help welcomed, even if you aren't familiar with this breed. I know I'm completely ignorant about the entire frog family.

Should I introduce vegetation to the tank? I'd be happy to if it would help them, but I don't want to reduce the time span it takes for the tank to get grubby looking. Mainly I'm worried about cleaning out the water and losing eggs in the process. Are eggs obvious?

Cheers, Julia

frogfan
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# Posted: 14 Apr 2007 18:19


Julie-
Amplexus is very obvious, the male grabs onto the female VERY tightly and rides on her back for hours/days at a time. He helps with "squeezing" the eggs out, and while the female releases the eggs, the male is in a position to fertilize them externally. I'm sorry to say, but it sounds like your frogs are exhibiting absolutely no breeding behavior. Frogs are not intelligent animals and were probably sitting on eachother just by luck. They probably werent doing it on purpose...in a small tank there is only so much room. Breeding frogs is harder than just throwing a male and female into the same tank, most frogs require environmental modification (cycling) to reinnact an authentic mating season (in this case, the Australian rainy season). The mucus you witnessed is just shed skin, it's how frogs shed. If you havnt heard calling yet, there's a good chance they're all female...but maybe they're not mature yet? How long have you had them? Also, describe your tank, how big is it? Plants are nice to have in the tank for both the frogs and viewers because it enhances the tanks appearence. Be careful with introducing parasites though.

Mating/eggs are very obvious, you couldn't miss them. If you really want to breed them you need to invest more time and $ into it. You need to obtain definite males/females and cycle them (simulate rain and increase humidity).
Kyle

Gerontia
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2007 01:35


Thanks, Kyle, that's really helpful. You're right, I guess they're not looking to breed. I hadn't realised it would be complicated.

They're very young - they were tadpoles in February, as I recall. I guess I assumed that once they were frogs, that was it: maturity. It could well be that they're still immature.

Shed skin! It all makes sense, now.

The tank is roughly 18" by 10", and maybe 14" deep. I'll talk to the pet store about appropriate plants.

Thanks again, it's all been really helpful.

Cheers, Julia

jimmy
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2007 07:26


Hi Gerontia I have alot of experiance in golden bell frogs and have had them breed dozons of times.
Although they are rare in thier native aussie they are very common over in nz where i live.
Firstly you are going to be waiting a long time until they are old enough to breed, it takes between two and four years for them to reach sexual maturity and they can live for a long time, I got my first frog when I was 8 and he died when I was 26 and he was an adult when I got him, I got his mate when I was 11 and shes still alive now and Im 30!
There are a few important things you need to know if your frogs are going to grow big and live a long life- they need either sunlight or full spectrum lighting and calcium in their diet for their bones to grow. Just dont have the tank in full sun or you'll cook them.
Most keepers neglect these needs and their frogs become stunted and dont live very long.
Also they will out-grow that tank, and if you have more than one male they will fight each other when they mature.
some good plants that I have had success with are- babies tears, parlour palms, peace lily, mondo grass, impatiens, any smallish fern and small bromeliads that lack spines.
hope that helps - jimmy

Gerontia
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# Posted: 17 May 2007 01:59


Thanks, Jimmy, that's brilliant. I'm a Kiwi, too. In Wellington.

Wow, I guess we're frog owners for the long haul, huh? I've been feeding them mostly on moths, and supplementing with mealworms on nights I can't find any moths. Is this okay? Should I vary this diet? How do I give them calcium?

I think my frogs are getting enough sunshine, so that should be okay.

I'll have a look for those plants. I assume the frogs don't need a heat lamp, do they? I figure if they can live outside in Wellington, they should be fine indoors.

Thanks so much!

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