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Barb
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2006 22:26


I was wondering how long Fire-bellied toads can go without eating. And also, if anybody knows, how long can tiger salamanders go without eating. I ordered crickets from Wormman, and they were supposed to be here over a week ago, and they're still not here. (I've had that problem with them before. You'd think I'd learn.) I live in a small town, and the owners of our little Ma and Pa pet shop where I usually get them when I'm out are out of town. I just ordered crickets from ebay, but they won't be here for three days. I'm worried about my critters.

back2eight
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2006 23:01


I have had the same problem when ordering from Wormman. I, too, ordered again from them after checking prices of other places. Theirs is just cheaper! They EVENTUALLY arrive, and this last time half my order was not dead like the time before.

So, you should be looking for something to feed them. If there is a bait shop around then you can get crickets from them, or even some worms. Or you have to do it the old fashioned way by going outside and hunting for bugs for them to eat. Turn over rotten logs and things like that. Find them SOMETHING. I think a week without food is pushing it. I am going to be gone a week on vacation but I plan on leaving FF cultures in with my dart frogs when I go, and I plan on heavily feeding my tomato frogs before I go as well. When you prepare for it I think that length of time is fine but I would be getting worried.

peace_frog
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2006 23:18


fire belly toads will eat worm if you slice them up but the you may have to hand feed your pet...or if they can catch them they will eat feeder fish...hell i seen my own toad try eating another toad..so toads will eat about anything...if you do a search on here for fire belly toads caresheets you will come up with several and you can see what they say you can feed them


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nuggular
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2006 17:00


If your pets our healthy and well fed, they can go a week or so without food. Mabye more. But you dont want to push it. I feed my FBTs every 2-3 days. So they can go without food for 3 days no problem.


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Shakira
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2006 20:37


Before dying, the frogs can go a couple months without food, but in 3-4 weeks they will start to suffer organ damage etc.

I wouldnt recommend going more than 2 weeks without a meal.

You can try feeding field plankton, earth worms, feeder guppies, and etc.

I think your best option is going to be earthworms. Frogs can live completely off earthworms, they are very healthy, nutritious and in most cases you can get them free at least part of the year. But this is only if you have a pesticide free yard.

There are some concerns with feeding fish:

1.) Parasites. Fish contain many parasites and unless you establish a breeding colony of your own and use anti-parasite fish food to treat them then it can cause more problems than it is worth to feed your frogs fish.

2.) Calcium over-dose. Adult fish are very high in calcium, feeding frogs fish too often can lead to an over-dose in calcium. This can be avoided at least partially by feeding younger or just born fish (smaller bones etc.) but again unless you have your own established breeding colony then this isn't really an option.

Here is a link to an article I wrote some time in the past reguarding feeding amphibians.

http://talkto.thefrog.org/index.php?action=vthread &forum=15&topic=9947

As the above mentioned link discusses if you don't use pesticides in your yard you can find wonderful, nutritious meals waiting under rocks and boards. This can be a great supplement during the warm months to your usual diet even when you aren't running low on crickets. It's something to think about. FOr more info read the above linked post.

(This is Kittenclaw22)

Barb
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2006 22:48


Thanks for the information. I just went digging for worms, and my fire-bellies were thrilled! One of my salamanders was delighted as well. The other one wouldn't touch the worm at all. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Wormman's deliver, and waiting, and waiting.... It's so hot here right now that I imagine the crickets will be dead by the time they get here if Wormman's did mail them out when they said they did.

Shakira
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2006 22:57


Glad to hear your toads liked their treat!

A lot of people, even amphibian breeders, use field plankton, worms from their yard and the like during the summer months and do not use crickets at all when they can avoid it.

It is in fact healthier to vary the diet when possible rather than feed the same things over and over. More natural vitamins and minerals are found when feeding a variety of insects, apart from dusting.

I have heard that salamanders LOVE slugs, so if you can gather some slugs I bet they would thank you!

A good way to draw slugs to one place will be to take a couple leaves of cabbage and place it in a damp flower garden in the shade for a day or even a few days, then come back and it should likely have slugs on or around it. Keep the area damp though.

Another thing you could do is gather pill bugs (rollypollys) and release a few of them in the enclosure, if the frogs/salamanders dont eat them right away that would be fine. The pill bugs will just eat decaying plant matter and ignore the animals completely, it is even beneficial to your mini ecosystem for them to exist in the vivarium. If you dont have many lives plants consider placing a leaf of greens of some sort in there for the rolly polly to eat.

Toadmother
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# Posted: 20 Jul 2006 03:08


OH MY GOSH!!!! This could be totally ME writing this post, because I am in the SAME BOAT, WAITING FOR WORMMAN'S CRICKETS....LATE AGAIN, and just am trying to get by with pill bugs, worms, moths, spiders, etc. DANG----I bought them online (1000 crix) on Wednesday the 12th and friggin still don't have them----I think it's time to switch cricket stores, this has happened sooooo much with Wormman, and I think he is really trying, but when they say 2 to 3 day delivery, they should make good on that, you know?? Good to know we're not alone in this, just hang tight~!

peace_frog
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# Posted: 20 Jul 2006 03:26


yeah it is always good to to vary the food...give your toads something new to eat and try...i haven't been able to find worms right size for my toads or else i would be feeding my toads them...just switch up the diet


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frogfreakx100
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2006 23:48


What CANT firebellied toads eat?


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peace_frog
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2006 03:48


well that is a very good question.,.. i know they can not eat an insect with a hard shell like a beetle i do believe...remember i am no expert though


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