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spawn
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2006 10:35
I am looking for people who know people with good prices/reputation that breed: Theloderma corticale; Rhacophorus nigropalmatus; Polypedates dennysi. I know places to get them, but I'm looking to compare prices. Any help is appreciated, but try to limit it to people OTHER THAN kingsnake.com, which I check daily.
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frogfan
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2006 18:33
For the Mossy's go to Saurian.net....Patrick Neighbors is great and has the best mossy's. I got 3 from him a while back and have already gotten mine to breed. Hell, I could probably sell you some cheap in a month or so when they're ready to go.
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TimOsborne
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2006 19:43
For the Rhacs.. Kingsnake is going to be the best bet(i know you did not want to here that), but they are not often captive bred in the hobby right now, so most of the sales will be on fresh imports.. which usually end up on kingsnake.. and even then, I don't see R nigropalmatus a lot.
Saurian.net for the T corticale (he just had an article in reptiles magazine about them, it was an "introductory" type article, but some good information none-the-less). There is another breeder in FL that has them, Simply Darts (SDNF) I think is their name.. you can find their ads on KS or dendroboard usually..
Not going to much help on the Polypedates..
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spawn
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 00:34 · Edited by: spawn
Bay Area Reptiles has some nice Polypedates dennysi that I think I will be ordering. They're light blue as juveniles, which I think is fairly unique at this point. They're also $25 a piece, which surely beats out this breeder in Africa who wants to sell me his for $80 a piece. His also get to be like 6.5", but, I'm not into spending $80 on one frog. Shipping from Africa is also a bitch; hopefully none of you ever have to experience that haha.
I actually spoke with the guy from Simply Natural Darts today on the phone -- he didn't have too desirable prices in my mind (wanted to sell me a proven pair of adult T. corticale for $200). I mean, you get what you pay for, but I personally am looking for younger frogs, and go with the luck of the draw to get a mating pair possibly. I also want to have them longer, and a juvenile will live longer than an adult that's mated theoretically, if you catch my thinking. He did have one Blue Webbed left and would let go of him for a quite reasonable price but after I mentioned I was in NY, he wasn't too confident in its surival, and I had to agree the shipment wouldn't be worth it for one frog.
I have checked out Saurian.net already and they seem to be the best bet thus far. I think I shot Patrick an email last night and am waiting on a response for prices.
And yeah, the guy from SND did mention briefly what you said Tim about the rhacophroidae not being captive bred and most shipments in are wild caught, since they are some of the most delicate species in terms of hardiness. However, I have no problem with well acclimated wild-caughts because they have Darwin on their side and better chance for genetic variation.
The guy in Africa also has Rhacophorus nigropalmatus for $50. I mean it's not all that bad of a price, but shipping from Africa? It's going to get expensive very fast, especially if I want more than one, which I do. They're just so beautiful, and they get bigger than the Blue Webs by more than an inch! Damn shame there aren't more of them around.
Post some pictures of your adults Frogfan. I would love to see them, and keep me posted on those babies!
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frogfan
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 00:58
I got 3 babies from Patrick at a show last year, and they bred last month with fertile eggs that I accidentally killed. They just laid eggs again tho (they lay every month with no real cycling). I just bought 3, and it turns out I have 1.2 I think. I just sold all my baby A. Moreletii today, but my Moreletii are in amplexus again and might lay soon. I'll try to get some pics up. Tim usually helps me with that..lol.
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spawn
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 01:42
Post some pictures of your adults Frogfan. I would love to see them, and keep me posted on those babies!
I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to your Theloderma corticale. However, I'm sorry to hear they didn't make it. Did you do anything we could possibly learn from? Maybe next time. I would much rather buy from someone in the forum than a big company.
In the event that you want to become more self-sufficient, Photobucket is VERY easy to use, and they have a lot of hosting space relatively for a free service. The registration is actually on par, if not simpler, than what it took to register for this forum. All you do is upload pictures from your hard drive, then copy/paste the URL it has been dubbed into the 'img' tags.
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frogfan
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 02:15
Spawn-They take longer to hatch than most frog eggs. Approx 15-17 days, whereas Callidryas and Moreletii took me about 5-7 days. Mine were developing fine untill day 12, when I went to visit some friends at a college. I stayed overnight, and my room gets very hot at night. See, Corticale eggs need to be in contact with water at all times, I was keeping the water level so that some eggs were half covered, some were covered to the top, but barely. Well, when I left, the tads were wriggling in the eggs, but when I got home the water level droped and no eggs were in contact with the water. All 16 eggs died, with the tads still visible in the egg. But I got new eggs on the way. I learned from my mistake.
To TIM-did you get my email? I wrote you back but cant remember if I pressed send. lol.
kyle
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odaacon
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 02:18
Why can't you have them competly covered in water?
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frogfan
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 02:29
The article that Patrick Neighbors wrote in Reptiles magazine says he keeps his half covered. That's all the information that I know.
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TimOsborne
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 05:41
hey are the pics for ya Kyle
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TimOsborne
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 05:44
Spawn, with shipments from africa.. you have to get alot of import/export papers and permits.. lots of money and hassle. If you want to go that route, get in touch with someone that imports already, and have them help you.
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frogfan
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 08:34
Thanks for posting those Tim...
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TimOsborne
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2006 14:33
no prob.. i have tons of bandwidth available..
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spawn
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2006 10:29
Anyone know anywhere selling of The Spotted Climbing Toad (Pedostibes Hosii)? I haven't seen those around for a while.
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spawn
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# Posted: 13 Aug 2006 11:30
Actually looking for females in particular (sorry for the double post but I couldn't edit last post for some reason) really.
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spawn
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# Posted: 18 Aug 2006 23:01
Update: I have bought two juvenile Giant Chinese Gliding Tree Frogs (Polypedates dennysi) from Bay Area Reptiles for $25 a piece and they arrived yesterday, and they're allegedly "blue phase." Pictures of course are due:
Frog #1
Frog #2 (has a weird right eye; may be blind in it -- what do you think?)
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spawn
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# Posted: 1 Sep 2006 03:19 · Edited by: spawn
*Update 8/31/06:
My Blue Webbed taking on the great endeavor of mimicking the leaf colors chameleon-style
My Giant Chinese Gliding female getting beefier
The two Blue Webbed atop one another with their leaf camouflage
Blue Webbed on the glass
And a bonus shot: my female eating a moth while mating with a brown male, whom she later ate. I had her mate with a second male, whom I thought got away safely, but a few hours later she ripped his arms off and ate his head too. So romantic lives they lead. I'm hoping this big female lays a good four egg sacs before the end of the year. She also ate a big green cricket the size of one of the males about a half hour before decapitating him. It's interesting to see how hungry she gets and how much energy she needs for the mating process. I love mantids
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frogfan
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# Posted: 1 Sep 2006 20:50
sweet pics spawn. Where did you get those blue webs from, and how long have you had them. Ive had trouble keeping them alive for long, they import very poorly. I love the picture of those mantids too.
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spawn
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2006 19:35
I got those particular Blue Webbed from East Regional, but alas as you called it, they are now dead. I think the combination of being imported plus the extra day of transit to a customer is what breaks them down. They're very susceptible to stress and a great challenge to keep alive. I think if you can get them acclimated into your tank from the start and don't do anything for a couple days, that's your best bet for keeping them alive. My friend I mentioned earlier that I gave one of the Blue Webbed to put his into a tank with a White's, and it's been doing great! Of course it was against my will, but it's the luck of the draw with these damned frogs. I had a clean cage, and it was gone in two days. He puts his in with an Australian frog and it does nothing but proliferate. Oh well.
East Regional has more of them, but they have notified me they have nose rubs, and are awaiting a shipment next week. They DID guarantee my satisfaction, so so far my satisfaction is pending on the next shipment of frogs they make, and they also offered to refund my money. I want to wait a week or two before having them send the replacement pair so that the frogs are well adjusted to tank-life and actually have been witnessed eating so maybe they can survive the transit to my home.
I do have another pair from some Mexican guy who sounded like Antonio Banderaz on the phone. He posted a one-time ad on kingsnake and I jumped on it the minute it was posted. One full grown jumbo female and a half year old male (about 3/4 the size of a male Hyla cinerea). Very surreal to see the two next to each other, but they're doing great so far. I will take pictures of them later today.
I'm waiting to hear back from Nature Coast Exotics who failed to respond to my replies for a week now. They supposedly have gotten in some Blue AND Black Webbed. I'm eager to try some Black Webbed. I also got a male Climbing Toad last weekend (Pedostibes hoseii) for $100 shipped, and have him in a 30 gallon tall hexagon tank alone. I'll photograph him later today too.
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spawn
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# Posted: 4 Sep 2006 08:38
I wish I could edit my last post but I can't. Here are the pictures I promised:
The juvenile male Blue Webbed
The female Blue Webbed
And my newly prized possession - my Climbing Toad. Gotta' say -- seems to have a lot more personality and intelligence than the frogs.
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spawn
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# Posted: 4 Nov 2006 23:45
*Update: my toad is still doing great, and my mantid has laid its second ooth just an hour ago. All the Blue Webs have died (take it from me: buy CB or don't buy this species at all), and now my 30 gallon long is dedicated to four Polypedates dennysi -- the blue phase.
Someone on kingsnake.com wants to trade me a juvenile pair of Pedostibes hoseii for my full grown male. I originally inquired on buying just a female, but they assured me they're having no trouble selling the pairs ($275 + shipping), however DO need a nice grown up male for mating purposes. I don't know what to do, because I've never seen a female go up for sale alone, and they go for a good price still these days. It sounds like a very reasonable offer, and I am going to seriously consider it, yet at the same time I like my toad and I know he's healthy because he's been eating since I got him. But, if I did get the pair, and I could possibly breed them, I could have more/sell them for a pretty penny. Although, I'm not attracted to breeding brothers/sisters from the same clutch. It's a big dilemma for me, anyways. What do you guys think?
By the way, by the rare chance anyone wants to try raising some mantids next year (when they hatch and are ready to ship -- they actually survive transit very well), I will have an excess of nymphs to sell (prolly won't be more than $10 a head, IF that much -- probably two or three for $10), please let me know. Requirements are right on par with keeping a White's Tree Frog, and can be fed crickets. They're interesting insects and it's fun to watch them eat. But anyways, I will have a lot of babies in the Spring next year that I could ship out to people if they want, otherwise I'll let them go.
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spawn
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# Posted: 11 Nov 2006 09:13
Does anyone know of any sources to buy CB Blue Webs (Rhacophours reinwardtii)? I know of one store that sells imports, but those are pointless.
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spawn
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2006 05:50
Does anyone have any spare Reptiles magazines lying around from 1996? The issue I need is: v4.4 (4/96) -- Breeding the Asian Yellow-Spotted Climbing Toad [Mitch Whyte and Sandy Soden]. If not, does someone know a good way to track the information down? I was considering ordering a back issue but I figure there's gotta' be a free alternative on the net...
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memnoch1970
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# Posted: 15 Mar 2007 04:23
can anyone give me the exact e mail address for simply dart frogs i must be an idiot i cant find it on the web for some reason ty chris
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spawn
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# Posted: 15 Mar 2007 06:46
Marcus hasn't had a website for some time now. Check his ads in Dendroboard or on kingsnake.com for his email address.
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spawn
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# Posted: 28 Mar 2007 17:14 · Edited by: spawn
Anyone looking for Giant Monkey Tree Frogs (P. bicolor) at a crazy good price: http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=14&de=4 88987.
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