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PsychoTommy
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2012 13:11


Hello all, I need a little help here.

I have a paludarium set up for Rhacophorus reinwardtii, with a properly treated and working aquarium water habitat (plants, a couple of fish, etc.) in the bottom (the frogs do not use that at all).

For the higher regions of the tank, I'm using Zoo-med's ultrasonic Repti Fogger device, which generates fog from its own water reserve. Right now, I'm using de-ionised water (in fact, it actually translates as "ion changed water, usable in aquariums, cars, etc." in my native tongue, I'm not sure it's the same) with the fogger, misting the terrarium quite a few times a day.

I have read countless of articles and debates on the issue of water quality for amphibians (dechlorinated tap water / bottled mineral or spring water / RO water / DI water, etc), but none of them concerns humidifiers.

Is it harmful for the frogs for their vivarium to be misted with the water I use at the moment (the frogs don't seem to look ill or particularly stressed about it)? Does the water I use damage frogs even if they are not directly submerged in it or sprinkled on with it?

It is also crucial for me that the water I have to use should not damage the humidifier by mineral deposits - does dechlorinated tap water or bottled mineral water do anything like that, or is it only untreated water that deposits minerals?

Should I do anything differently? What would be the best solution?

Any help or advice is appreciated!

Thank you!

Thank you!

Heather
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2012 14:18


The water isn't an issue... the fogger, however... could end up a problem. It does heat up the water that it's using for fog... so that could cause harm ro the frogs (same if they touch the fogger because the get QUITE hot!)

I have read many members over the years, actually using cool mist humidifiers and piping the fog in (Links to search here)

You talk about not wanting damage or calcification... and those ultrasonic foggers ALWAYS get that and eventually burn out!

Hope that helps a bit


* Heather *

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PsychoTommy
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2012 14:23


Thanks, Heather,

but the fogger actually produces cool mist. It does not operate on heat principles, even the device itself is placed outside the vivarium, propelling the cool mist in through a hose.

I am more interested in the mist's water content's chemical properties...

About foggers - yep, I was afraid that it would eventually end up broken, I just wanted to postpone it

Thanks for the search link though, I didn't find it earlier!

Tommy

Heather
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2012 15:28


Aaaah ok I was thinking it was one of those other ones that you put into a water source and it produces the fog. (like this http://www.hho4free.com/images/Nutramist_3head.jpg )

I've never actually read anyone talking about the dangers of the fog itself. I wouldn't think it would be an issue so long as you are using the proper water to start with, you know?

I'm sure someone else will chime in at some point today with more advice


* Heather *

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Phineas
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# Posted: 27 Sep 2012 12:05


I know nothing of the technicalities of the matter, but I have had a little experience. I have used an external fogger of the type Tommy writes of for just over 3 years now and have not observed any ill effects on the frogs within the habitat ....the same two frogs for all 3 years. The water I use is untreated potable well water. The machine never feels hot or warm, even when I am negligent and the inverted bottle water supply has run dry, and only once in a while is a white (calcification?) substance visible on the machine ....it wipes away easily.


Pacific Chorus frogs,
A lizard or two,
Rana Sylvatica (hundreds),
... and a pair of raccoon.
PsychoTommy
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# Posted: 27 Sep 2012 12:12


Thanks, Phineas, that's reassuring!

I don't notice any irregularities either, I just started wondering about this whole matter after reading about how de-ionised, reverse osmosis or untreated water can affect amphibians' internal chemistry through their skin.

Apparently, using the cold mist is not the same as submerging the animals in either of these types of water...

Anyway, thanks for the input, I'll keep on using the system as it is right now.

If anyone has any different experiences regarding this, don't hold back!

Tommy

FwoGiZ
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# Posted: 28 Sep 2012 05:50


you wanna use distilled or RO water with these ultrasonic thingy for better lifepans of their disk (the membrane that vibrane and breaks water into very fine mist)
this can't harm your frog
you wouldn't want to use distilled water in water dishes tho.



I've had this spring peeper for over 4 years..!
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