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Andry
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 17:23


I have so many questions, and yet I've already gotten started because my husband wants all the new plants out of the kitchen. Ok, here are my questions:

1 - Most important... Do I relocate my frogs temporarily while changing and would a 5 gallon tank be ok for this (three Red Eye Tree Frogs). I also have my other Exo Terra Medium but I haven't cleaned it out yet (bought it used). Or will they be okay asleep on the only live plant I have in there, see picture 1 below while I clean and add stuff to the tank.

I don't have a substrate currently, just a cocoa plant liner which looks nice, is easy to clean under and I can see the poops and get those out easily.

2 - Should I put in a new liner and just add plants with pots and hang vines/pothos from glass with strong magnets or possibly even leave the fake plants on the walls...or should I add substrate around the potted plants so that it looks like the plants are planted in the substrate (so that I can clean later without bothering the plants too much) or should I just plant the plants in the substrate and if I do, how long can I take before I clean the tank fully again changing substrate and all?

3 - If I do add substrate bottom, do I need to add the egg crate on bottom with mesh so that the water will drain? Or do I have to add Cocoa Beads/clay pellets to bottom for draining soil? Or can I just add the soil with nothing on bottom?

4 - What kind of soil substrate is best for plants and frogs?

I've read so much, but there is so much info and nothing clear cut, like "you have to do add this or else", that I'm getting really confused.

Thanks!


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Andry
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 17:32


here are some pictures of what I have:

The only live plant I have currently in the tank:


This is what I have to work with, keep in mind, I took out most of the fake plants and vines out already. It was really full of fake foliage before this picture:











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nickmollins
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 18:27


yes they are perfect but they might be dififcult to look after in a frog tank
the bamboo will need at least 2 inches of water below them


2 cats (biscuit,buttons)
2 hissing roaches (gromp,rhina) thanks to matthew polver
1 praying mantis(miyogui)
1 dog (jinty)
1 american green tree frog(kermit)
10 fish (marine)
2 guinea pigs (speedo,silver birch the 2nd)
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Andry
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 18:29


I plan to leave the bamboo in a two inch high water bowl which is in there already. What do you think will be hard to look after, the different plants?


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nickmollins
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 18:38


i hate to say it but it will be quite difficult as they come from completly diffirents parts of the world


2 cats (biscuit,buttons)
2 hissing roaches (gromp,rhina) thanks to matthew polver
1 praying mantis(miyogui)
1 dog (jinty)
1 american green tree frog(kermit)
10 fish (marine)
2 guinea pigs (speedo,silver birch the 2nd)
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/colleg
jclee
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 19:05


Some of those look like they might outgrow your enclosure.

If you do decide to plant directly into the tank, you can use a few inches of the clay balls that are used for hydroponics. (It might be easier than eggcrate.)

I would also top the clay balls with a thin layer of activated carbon to help absorb ammonia and other toxins that can build up and get stinky.

Andry
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 19:57


hmmm, stinky is not a good thing. I don't know what activated carbon is? I will ask at Home Depot. And I hear people using clay balls, but what are the clay balls purpose?


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Sandy_Bear
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 20:59


Activated Carbon you can find at the pet store, look in the fish department, where they keep the filter media.

jclee
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2010 22:48


The clay balls are for drainage. If there is any accidental excess water, it will drain down to the layers of clay balls, so it doesn't over-water the roots and saturate the soil, which will breed bacteria like crazy if it's too wet. (Imagine a flower pot without drainage holes...)

Andry
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# Posted: 16 Jun 2010 05:52


I knew I had a thread going somewhere but forgot where... It's too late now, I've already added the clay pellets, egg crate, bug screen, moss and soil. I could not for the life of me remember what the Activated Carbon was that I was supposed to put in before the soil. So, I went with the instructions I was following on another website and decided to go without that something I was supposed to put in there. Now I regret it. Will I have to redo it soon because it's going to get stinky? Any ideas, how to make it better or go back and add it? Here's what I did in detail...

Okay, please tell me if I did everything correct in my Red Eye Tree Frog tank. About a week ago I bought several new plants for the tank and was decided to plant it but chickened out because I felt I didn't have enough info. So, I just placed the pots in the tank without planting the plants. I had just a layer of Coco liner for hanging baskets as my substrate, but as I video taped my frogs eating I realized they were ingesting the long stems from this liner and it scared me very much. I knew I had to change it right away.

I followed most of the instructions on this website, but without the water feature: http://www.thefrog.org/tank09/falsebottom/index.ht m

1 - I put about an inch layer of clay pellets on the bottom of the tank.
2 - Then I put egg crate on top (not sure if this was necessary)
3 - Then I put a sheet of bug screen on top
4 - a few more clay pellets on top and a little bit of moss (it was wet when I added it, hope this is okay)
5 - I mixed the brick of Exo Terra Plantation Soil (wet it first to expand it) then added and mixed Orchid Potting Mix. I added about a 2 inch layer. It was still really damp when I added it to the tank. Is this okay? Will it dry eventually?
6 - Then I planted all the plants in the 2 inch layer soil. Is that deep enough? I think the instructions where to make it 4 inches but I just felt there was not enough room for 4 inches of soil.
The plants were Pothos of two different kinds, Philondendron of two different kinds, a small orchid, and one other monkey type grass I'm not sure what it's called. And I added a few rocks and two patches of dried moss.
7- Added the water bowl and bamboo in the water and two fake plants to each side glass so that it's not too open on the sides.

I did all this without taking the frogs out. They were sleeping. One on the glass and two on a vine that was pinned to the backboard so they weren't disturbed too much.

Here's the bottom of the tank:


Before fake side plants:


After false plants, one on each side:


And here's a close up of the bottom planted:



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Tony C
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# Posted: 16 Jun 2010 06:10


The way you have it set up should be fine. Another option, which I am slowly converting all my vivs to, is to fill the tank botton with LECA (clay balls) and plant directly in them, then place a thin layer of sphagnum or some leaf litter over the top.

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# Posted: 16 Jun 2010 06:12


a small orchid

What kind of orchid? Most are epiphytes and will quickly rot if they are planted in soil.

Andry
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# Posted: 16 Jun 2010 14:25


Tony, I didn't know you can do that. Maybe I'll do that once the tank needs a change in substrate, which by the way, how often do I need to change out the false bottom?

Here's a picture of the orchid, I don't know what kind it is, but as soon as I bought it the two little flowers on it shriveled up and that was without even taking it out of the container. It was 7 dollars for the little thing and it's probably already dead. I figured I'd give it a try to move it over to the soil since I did mix the coco fiber with "orchid potting mix" but maybe just because it says orchid doesn't mean it's for that orchid?



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Andry
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# Posted: 16 Jun 2010 14:27


My RETF's must have liked the tank update, they are in amplex again today.

Maybe I should go ahead and make them a rain chamber since they are soooo in the mood.



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Ribbity
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# Posted: 27 Jun 2010 23:35


Thanks for posting this thread.. I am just starting up a new tank.. and I am thinking of doing a live plant set up as well. I see that the clay balls are great for drainage.. but to remove the extra water.. do you syphon it out from the bottom of the tank... such as using a turkey baster?

I will be following along on this thread to see how you make out.. and get suggestions.

Andry
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2010 02:17


I don't have a plan for extra water I thought the leva was supposed to absorb it and dry out on their own?


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Tony C
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2010 02:46


I figured I'd give it a try to move it over to the soil since I did mix the coco fiber with "orchid potting mix" but maybe just because it says orchid doesn't mean it's for that orchid?


When orchids are grown in pots the orchid mixes or bark generally work well because they dry fairly quickly, but under vivarium conditions they generally stay too wet and rot the roots.

Andry
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2010 04:58


Got it. Thanks!


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# Posted: 29 Oct 2012 07:28 · Edited by: JamesNoel


I think silk plants are the best option for decorating your garden. Because these are also easily available on cheap rates.

artificial plants and flowers | artificial flower arrangnements

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