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humessea
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# Posted: 23 Mar 2013 21:57 · Edited by: humessea


Hey Guys,

well this is my last ditch effort to try to get some advice or possibly do something different that I may have overlooked.

Since I am new to the forums, I will give everyone a quick background. My wife is a frog nut, and we currently take care of a ton of exotic frogs, including red eye tree frogs, fire belly toads, big eyes, golden eye tree frog, and finally one of my favorites, a bumblebee toad (that we call Mr. Bumblebee, even though we have no idea if it is a girl or boy!). Just recently my wife has successfully breed the red eye tree frogs for the first time, and nursed them into little froggies (she has kept a few, but sold the rest to a local, pet store owner who is a friend and deals with exotic pets). So this kind of gives you insight that she is not your normal, run of the mill beginner when it comes to frogs, and in general all the frogs remain healthy and active and we really haven't had any problems.

Unfortunately we have hit a brick wall with the bumblebee toad, and it seems like we have tried everything with no success. She has had him for over three years, so he is in his adulthood, and normally he is a very active, FAT bumblebee toad with no problems. Just recently he has slowly been losing weight, and I woke up today to find him the skinniest I have ever seen. He doesn't seem to have much interest in the fruit flies nor pin head crickets we gracious fill his cage with (and yes we do dust them with calcium powder and try to give him gut-loaded when we can) and when he does seem to want to try to eat, it doesn't seem like his tongue is actually "grabbing" the food (not sticky enough?). I am sure by now he is very weakened due to eating nothing to very little, and we think he might have pooped maybe once, but it's hard to tell with such a small creature. We have both read every post out there, ranging from vitamin deficiencies to humidity problems. We started to soak him in a vitamin rich bath a couple of days ago, which seem to spurt a bit of action, but still no signs of eating, which is troubling considering this guy ate ALOT before. We also raised his humidity up to the 80% range hoping it would help with the "wetness" of his tongue (it was down around 65%-75% 4-5 days ago). We also noticed his skin is rather shinny the other day, and when we soaked him, it seemed like it helped in him shedding his skin; so we thought maybe he was just shedding his skin, and would return to normal. No luck on that though, as it's been two days since then and again, he is the skinniest I have ever seen him this morning. The fruit flies and crickets just seem to ignore him and crawl all over him, and he stays pretty stationary (which is very frustrating considering how skinny he is, eat dude!). I love this guy, he is definitely my favorite, and my wife is much attached. I have never seen her go wrong in the care she gives these animals and this is very frustrating for her considering the toad has flourished up until now (and all the other frogs she cares for). We continue to soak him each day in the vitamin rich bath for roughly 10-15 minutes, and try to keep handling down to a minimum in his thinned and weakened state. She had also tried to put him in a seperate small container with crickets/fruit flies to see if he was just having issues in the cage we have him in, and although he tried a few times, again it didn't seem like the tongue connected. I think at this point he has almost given up, and I don't know what to do from here. Access to the food is definitely not a problem, as we put plenty of crickets and/or fruit flies and they are crawling all around him. One side note and this is kind of a tangent, but it made me think; there is a plant that has been in his cage for a long time, and he hasn't had any issues. Well the plant is definitely in the stages of dying, and is pretty "dried" up - could that be causing any issues, or releasing anything that would harm him? It seems pretty far-fetched, but I know these guys are very sensitive. The temperature stays around 72-78 degrees, along with the humidity staying around 70-80% (again we heard it was good to raise the humidity when they were having "stickiness" issues with their tongues and to also help the skin shedding process). The cage is plenty big, I believe a ~5 gallon with just him in it, but I would have to confirm with my wife, who is not here at the moment.

I apologize for the long post, but I figured the more thorough, the better. I will also post pictures when my phone is charged enough to take off the charger and I can get them on the computer, shouldn't be any longer than a couple of hours. Until then, I figure it's best to post this and see if anyone has had similar issues or any ideas. I realize that the help received from this forum isn't a "vet" say, and no one is responsible for anything that happens. Any insight would be greatly appreciated, since I believe if we do not get him to eat, he won't have much longer.

I originally posted on FrogForum.net and also uploaded some pictures. For simplicity sake, click here for the original thread I posted this morning - scroll down below the post to see pictures.

Thanks,
Sean

Heather
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# Posted: 26 Mar 2013 14:22


I am SOOOO sorry that there hasn't been a response. (I think our current issue with the terrible terrible spam lately, has many avoiding the forum)

I wish I had some advice to offer, but I know nothing about this species. Hopefully someone will be able to offer something soon!

(I am trying my self to keep the spam down at least enough for other members to actually navigate through the "newer" questions.)


* Heather *

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bschwinn
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# Posted: 29 Mar 2013 04:59


Alright, lets pick this apart. I do not think the plant that is dying is harming the frog, however whatever is killing the plant may be affecting the frog.If that cage has not been stripped down and cleaned out with new substrate and plants added in the last couple years that is a potential lethal problem. I would change that tank every 6 months for 1 frog. I also seen you say you always gave calcium and no mention of vitamins until you began soaking him. If you have a victim of a severe vitamin deficiency it took a long time to get to this stage, if it makes it it will take a while to recover. Tongue sticky problems are typically vitamin deficiency symptoms.Something else to consider is age, he was obviously wild caught adult, you have him several years, he may just be old and nothing can change old.(or I would have found itLOL ) If there were a reason to suspect infection i would treat with Baytril, from a vet . Let us know how things go and I will check back, Good Luck, Bill Schwinn

humessea
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# Posted: 30 Mar 2013 00:41


Hey Bill,

Thanks for the response, I appreciate the feedback. My wife would clean and change the tank quite often, I would say about every other month (maybe even more depending on how it was). She would also powder the crickets everytime to ensure he was getting some source of vitamins. Just recently, we began soaking him in a electrolyte/calcium bath to try to give him energy and a source of vitamins since he isn't eating (I don't think he has ate in over a week and a half). We are unsure of his age, so being old can definitely be one of the issues. He has never had an issue before, and has always been pretty healthy, and especially plump. It has just been these past two and a half weeks he has dwindled from what seems to be his inability to catch feed, which has seemed to turn into a complete lack of trying to even do so. He is very frail at this point, and I am very worried the worst is going to happen very soon. We transferred him from his old larger cage, to a much smaller, simpler cage (just a few leaves and bark) in hopes that he would have a better chance of catching food. I don't see any signs of infection, although he is such a tiny creature and it could be unseen to me; my wife is pretty good with those things, and she also doesn't see anything that would suggest that. I fear that he has given up.. although he has remained active these past weeks, he has not ate anything and continues to dwindle to almost nothing at this point. I don't know if it's possible to force feed him, but I don't know of anything else to do at this point - I've switched to a very simple cage where food is readily available and there is nothing that could harm him. The temperature is keep consistant 72-76 deg with humidity between 70-75%; the bottom line is he is just not eating. We have continued to soak him twice a day in that solution, but it does not seem to be doing any good expect maybe giving him some energy or atleast allowing us to see him move around. If there is anything you can think of, please let me know. If he lives long enough I will get pictures of the current cage and his size (which is not much).

Thanks again,
Sean

humessea
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# Posted: 30 Mar 2013 20:58


We have lost Mr. Bumblebee. Unfortunately there wasn't much else we could do for him, and he slowly slipped away a few minutes ago. Thank you for all the help, he (my wife tells me it was a she, but I don't care either way I loved em') will be remembered as our favorite and beloved bumblebee toad.

RIP

Sean

bschwinn
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# Posted: 31 Mar 2013 06:15


Sorry for your loss.

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