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Allygurl66
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# Posted: 2 May 2011 03:47


So I have had my ACF Gus for almost ten years now. I am very attached to him. He lives in a 55 gallon tank with no fish. I did a full water change yesterday and redecorated his tank. Today he is not himself at all. His back legs are bunched up tight to his body, they are usually outstretched. He just seems to sit in the corner at the bottom, only coming up for air, then going straight back down. He is usually super active. His legs seem like they are having trouble stretching out. I am very concerned and do not know what is going on with him, but as far as I know he has never been ill a day in his life!! Some things I am concerned about :
While cleaning the tank I found 3 nickels in it at the bottom. I do not know how long they had been in his water, but they must have fallen from my dresser above his tank.

Also, while cleaning his tank yesterday I had him in a small bucket in my sink. He managed to escape the bucket and get into the sink, where he got a little bit of soap on him.

Is this the effect of soap or metal poisoning?? What should I do for him? I will do whatever treatment needed- he is my baby!


Ally
bschwinn
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# Posted: 2 May 2011 04:56


If you found the nickels while draining his tank and was ok then , nickel is not the problem. Could be the soap, could just be stress. Did you put Prime or another De-chlorinater in the new water? Bill

Allygurl66
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# Posted: 2 May 2011 05:30


Yes I put de-chlorinator in his water every time I do a water change. He is still just bunched up tight in a little ball, occasionally moving to a different spot in the tank. It's weird because one of his favorite things to do is chill at the top of the tank for long periods of time with his legs completely outstretched. Now when he chills at the top of the tank his back legs are tight and pulled in. I am so confused....


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# Posted: 2 May 2011 15:50


Update - Gus is in a tank now with just enough water to cover him . I am afraid in the 55 he would not be able to surface for air if his back legs are still bothering him. Now I am even more concerned because he is excessively sheddin his skin, all over, and does not seem to want to move much.


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Allygurl66
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# Posted: 2 May 2011 16:42


I also just realized 2 of his toes seem to be broken . There is no fungus , and he looks absolutely normal except on 2 toes I believe there is a tiny bit of bone poking through at the tip.


Ally
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# Posted: 2 May 2011 20:15


Are you sure the toes didn't happen at some point while you were cleaning the tank and transferring him? If it did, then maybe that's his problem and everything else is stress related because of the injury.

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# Posted: 2 May 2011 21:42


Soap is an anti-surfacant. This will reck havoc with your frogs ability to
regulate normal biological function. It may be usefull to place the frog in
Pediolite to help regain some normal function. ( the same stuff one would use for an ill human child ). Though the damage is done, you may still be able to save your frog.


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Allygurl66
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# Posted: 2 May 2011 22:36


Pedialyte? I will pick some up. Is it safe? How long should I soak him in that?


Ally
bschwinn
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# Posted: 2 May 2011 23:15


I have used Pedialite on reptiles before, never tried on frogs though I have heard of others using it on frogs. If I were to try it I would use it 50-50 water and Pedialite, just my opinion, Bill

Sandy_Bear
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# Posted: 2 May 2011 23:30


Make sure you get the unflavored Pedialite

Allygurl66
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# Posted: 3 May 2011 00:57


Okay and submere him in it for a few minutes , is that lon enough? Also since I have confirmed 2 broken toes, the bones are pokin through the top of his toe just a bit. Is this ok ?? Will this heal on it's own even though some bone is exposed ?


Ally
Allygurl66
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# Posted: 3 May 2011 00:59


Also thanks to everyone who is givin me advice..I really love my prince and this is killin me.


Ally
Allygurl66
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# Posted: 3 May 2011 17:47






Wanted to post these. I took these a few minutes ago while giving Gus his pedialyte bath. I did not notice until today a small red spot on his back leg area, and a lot of reddness on the underside of his leg. Does this look more like red leg, or some type of injury from his escape???


Ally
bschwinn
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# Posted: 3 May 2011 18:32


That could go either way, I would say at this point injury, based on the fact that red leg is a visual response of breakdown of the capillaries just under the skin surface, due to bacterial infection. Yours look a bit deeper like an injury would, however it might not be a bad idea to run him on a course of antibiotics as a preventative measure. Baytril would be a good start, though if you look through threads on here you may find mention of ones more accesible to you, Bill

Allygurl66
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# Posted: 5 May 2011 16:11


SO i took these pics this mornin...I am very puzzled and concerned as to what is goin on here with my frog. Last night only one webbing was torn between his toes..now the webbing his ripped and red between both feet. He has been in a hospital tank for the last 24 hrs with nothing in it except clean water, so there is no way he could have injured himself again. Any ideas on these pics? I have given him a pedialyte bath for the last 2 days, once per day..for 2 hrs each time.











Ally
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# Posted: 5 May 2011 17:46


If the torn webbing is from injury, then it will heal itself back up in pretty god time. If it is from something such as redleg, bacterial infection, etc, then the cause must be eliminated first. If it is redleg then it will be painful and fatal.

At first it looked like the start of redleg to me, but I have never seen redleg make holes in the webbing and whatnot. Looks to be bacterial. ACF have healing anitbiotic, antifungal, and antiviral properties in their skin. Unfortunately they do not have antibacterial properties, which is one of the reasons they have issues with bacterias.

Add some aquarium salts to your tank.

I see that it is shedding right now too. How often has it been shedding? Anything out of the ordinary there?



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Allygurl66
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# Posted: 5 May 2011 18:02


Thanks for the reply ! He has been shedding nonstop for about 3 days now, so very unusual. He also has not been consuming it. I am wondering now if I did not sanitize his beach rocks properly and if this could be the cause. I will pick up the salt tonight.


Ally
bschwinn
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# Posted: 5 May 2011 23:30


Not to cause you to worry but if I were in your situation I really would consider getting him on antibiotics, Bill

Allygurl66
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# Posted: 5 May 2011 23:57


Anyone know of any antibiotics I could get in a pinch?? Thanks..also sorry for all the questions but how much aquarium salt to add?? He has been in a clean hospital tank for 2 days now and he is still shedding like crazy and his body color is a bit lighter this evening. He has been eating his bloodworms thouh...


Ally
bschwinn
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# Posted: 6 May 2011 00:13


I do not know the dose on the salts. If the redness worsens and he quits eating I definately would get antibiotics. Eating is a good thing, maybe he will recover without meds.

Allygurl66
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# Posted: 6 May 2011 03:12


I am also thinkin of doing the lamisil treatment as well as salt and antibiotics


Ally
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# Posted: 6 May 2011 03:32


Skip the lamisil treatments. Just get the baytril or something for him.



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Allygurl66
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# Posted: 6 May 2011 13:24


What do you think about tetracycline? No vet here on cape cod treats frogs.....but tetracycline is avail at my pet shop


Ally
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# Posted: 6 May 2011 18:13


Yes to tetracycline.



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bschwinn
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# Posted: 6 May 2011 19:26


I am not sure on the dosing of Tetracycline, I can tell you it leaves the water very funky and stained. Turn off filtration and do water changes while treating.

AgalychnisCallidryas
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# Posted: 6 May 2011 19:34


You're in MA, how far from Lexington or Acton?


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ScurvyGoat
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# Posted: 6 May 2011 19:41


Do you have other pets that go to a vet? You can try begging them for a small syringe filled with Baytril. My vet finally gave me some when one of my Red Eyes was very ill and it saved him. I live on the South Coast so I had no one either. Tufts wanted me to come in and it would have been $150 just to walk in the door. They wouldn't answer any of my questions, no matter how small.

Good luck! <3



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Allygurl66
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# Posted: 7 May 2011 13:34


No kidding, Tufts is ridiculous about that kind of stuff. I am an hour and a half from Lexington. So I will buy tetracycline, going to pet store right now. Also I am going to pick up the salt and lamisil. Can anyone advise me on the dosages of all 3 of these products? He is in a small 5 gallon tank right now while he heals, he is clouding the water with his excess skin so I have been changing it once per day. He ate like a pig this AM, all of his frozen wormies! Now, all of the reddness appears to have gone away. His only symptoms are excess skin shedding, and white cotton ball things on his body. Fungus eh? Would lamisil be the best way to go for this? And can I do the fungal treatments, tetra, and salt? I just want to know the best way to kill this thing off! Thanks so much and thanks for all my answers so far, you guys are great!


Ally
bschwinn
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# Posted: 7 May 2011 19:10


It is a rare thing but I really think he is healing himself. I really would not treat for anything at this point if he is vastly improving as it sounds. Maybe in response to the healing process he is sloughing off the damaged skin off of himself. I would keep doing what you are doing, Bill

Allygurl66
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# Posted: 7 May 2011 20:00


Really? Yes he is quite amazing haha. He is doing better, but the cottony type balls are still fuzzy n white and on his body. I bought aquarium salt today as well as tetra fungus gaurd. Have not used them yet though.


Ally
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